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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 09:43 AM
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Grats! More pictures.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 10:16 AM
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Fan... Congrats and enjoy. Here's mine.



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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ninjajwl
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Wow that is stunning! May I ask how much it was? I'm planning on purchasing an NSX in the future and really appreciate your review.
The NSX market is a very interesting market to be in. These cars hardly depreciate at all so the right one can be tricky to find.

If you are looking for an older NA1, then you can expect to spend about $30,000 to $40,000 depending on condition and mileage. Many of these are higher mileage and easier to find. Though after driving a NA1 myself, I did not feel very satisfied with the car coming from a S2000. But I always said, if the car was good enough for Ayrton Senna, then it's more than enough for a novice like me.

If you are looking for a '97 to '01 NA2 (flip up headlights, 6 spd, 3.2L), then expect to spend between $45,000 and $52,000. Mine was closer to the bottom end of that spectrum so I believe I found a good deal on mine. However, I do have some maintenance to catch up on which will run me about 2 to 3k out of my pocket. Prices for these NA2's are steady because they are relatively rare and very few come on sale. I was lucky to find mine because a NSX Prime member took the time to reach out to me about the car.

If you are looking for the newer NA2's, then you can expect to spend about $58k and up depending on year, mileage and condition. These are the trickiest to price because they are still limited, but depreciating at the same time. For many people, these are also less sought after because the flip-up headlights is somewhat of a defining characteristic of the NSX.

If you are looking for a Zanardi edition (think CR model for the NSX), then prepare for an outright bidding war for the car... especially against people with deep pockets.
I want the last model with the xenon headlamps (not flip-up), so a 2002 model. The prices are still too high for consideration at the moment but there is always hope for another day.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by vbb
Nice pick up, congrats! I still can't get over how expensive these cars are 15-20 years later. I have never driven one, but I fear my expectations are way too high, because if I'm dropping $50K on a car I want certain things that I don't know the NSX has. Still, as a Honda fan, this is a car I respect and appreciate even if I don't plan on owning one.
Thanks for the compliment .. I was also surprised at the prices when I first entered the market too. Originally, it was VERY hard justifying the cost over the C6 Z06 which is at about $40k. I often poked fun at the package of the NSX claiming that it does not have much to offer for the price. The only way I could be slightly convinced was to actually drive one. After testing cars like the Z06 and E92 M3, the car still exceeded my (high) expectations in many ways... except the actual power. I can attribute most of the fun and experience to the car being light. There really isn't many substitutions for a light weight chassis. That is a factor that does not translate as well onto paper.

A car I often brought up was the IS-F. I've read Dombey's review and asked for many opinions of the car and it would have been a great all-around daily car versus owning two cars. The idea of an automatic was appealing as well if I were to be commuting in traffic. It would have been a very tough choice between this and the BMW and I could go on and on about when I debated against myself on this.

Originally Posted by sahtt
Price is what you pay, value is what you get.

A 91 NSX is a prime (excuse the pun for those in the know) example - it's been worth ~30k for the last 10 years. Many (certainly not all or necessarily even the majority) people who bought NA2's 8-12 years ago paid less than what they are worth today.
I do wish I could have been in the market during the sports car crash in 2009. (Then again, I probably would have wound up in a Z06 at that time. They were basically being given away.) In all honesty, I can not confirm or deny the NA2 is worth the market price they are at today. If the NA2 is a car that a person desires, they would have to pay the hefty premium on the car. There is a high demand for clean examples of the car and just simply not enough supply. Luckily these cars do not depreciate much so if one wanted to leave the NSX scene, the car could fetch a very reasonable price in the market again.

Some of the NA1's on the market are bargains. I've seen a few higher mileage, pristine examples sell for under $30,000. However, I insisted that the NSX I own must have the 3.2L and 6 speed transmission. I am a big fan of the NA1 coupes, though. I have had limited seat time in a '95 NA1 and it is still an awesome car.

There are a few NSXPrime members who have chased their dreams and moved onto Ferrari ownership. I often ask them how they feel about their new car and the reply is usually very along the lines of "similar to the NSX, but MUCH faster." If the NSX can offer a similar driving experience, then I think the value is exceptional. (Plus, I think the NSX market is now starting to phase into the classic / collector car category now.)

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Fan... Congrats and enjoy. Here's mine.
Hi Fasting / Bravo (?). I have followed your car for a while on S2ki and Prime. The little gremlins you are always facing make me a bit nervous, though. I am starting to face a few of those myself.. I often become very interested when a S2ki member eventually joins NSXPrime. Your garage makes me very jealous as you have two of the best driver's cars out there.


Originally Posted by TommyDeVito
I want the last model with the xenon headlamps (not flip-up), so a 2002 model. The prices are still too high for consideration at the moment but there is always hope for another day.
I noticed that the prices for these have dropped considerably over the years and they seem to continue to drop. If you really are willing to hold out, I think they'll eventually stabilize around the $50k range.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 05:51 PM
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Very nice purchase!

Even after just buying my 4th S2000 last month, I'm still dreaming about an NSX. Actually, the thought has come at me with full force lately. I guess I'm just nervous to pull the trigger on one because I know NOTHING about these cars. I spend quite a bit of time on Prime, but that hasn't helped, because I usually just end up in the picture threads.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 06:19 PM
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Congrats on the NSX!!!!! I find myself looking at ebay,prime, and every other website weekly for a NSX. I just don't want red or black.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FISH22
Very nice purchase!

Even after just buying my 4th S2000 last month, I'm still dreaming about an NSX. Actually, the thought has come at me with full force lately. I guess I'm just nervous to pull the trigger on one because I know NOTHING about these cars. I spend quite a bit of time on Prime, but that hasn't helped, because I usually just end up in the picture threads.
Thank you!

I saw that you purchased Tpolonyi's '08 GPW. I drooled over the idea of owning another S2000 after suffering from my withdrawals and I often checked his topic to consider making an offer. I'm glad it went to a nice owner. I believe after selling his S2000, he also moved onto purchase a LBP NA2.

I only entertained the idea of owning a NSX last year in the summer so I had a lot of research to do on the car before purchasing it. The first thing I would recommend would be to drive one. I have a hard time getting in and out of my car (and if you wife chooses to wear a dress.... forget taking the NSX.) I'm only 5'9" and I still hit my head on the targa occasionally.

A couple of important points that I kept in mind while shopping was:

- Aluminum does not like to be hit and a NSX that has the aluminum body damaged never really is the same anymore. That being said, a PPI is absolutely necessary... Preferably also at a body shop with a paint meter. Only in 2000 did Honda begin putting VIN stickers on each panel like what is done on the S2000.

- The car has a timing belt / water pump which is about a $1500 job. The timing belt / water pump maintenance plays an important factor in bargaining for the car and is to be done every 7 years or 60,000 miles. Also standard maintenance IS expensive. Though the C32 shares similarities with other Honda engines, the car is not the easiest to work on and many shops will charge a premium to work on the NSX. Money should be set aside to fix things to... These cars do have electric gremlins here and there. (My BOSE (blows) system has static issues when the volume knob is used.)

- Older '91s and '92s in a certain VIN range have a snap ring issue on some of the cars that may lead to a catastrophic transmission failure. Buyer should do research on this before purchasing.

- The NA2 is noticeably different from the NA1. More so than the AP2 vs AP1. I recommend test driving both before making the decision on which car you want. I can go further into details as I had to think about both for a while before pulling the trigger.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 06:37 PM
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Great info, thanks!

And yes, I purchased tpolonyi's 08 GPW. A few weeks after I picked the car up, he had his NSX. It's absolutely stunning too.

I have only been in an NSX once, and that was in the passenger seat. But, when my buddy opened it up, the sound was intoxicating! I'll never forget it. Had such an exotic note to it. I've been a Honda owner my whole life, so in my eyes it just makes sense to eventually move onto an NSX. A local member here has 2 GPW S2000s & a GPW NSX, and I drool over his car every time I see it. Pretty much the ultimate combination.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ninjajwl
Hi Fasting / Bravo (?). I have followed your car for a while on S2ki and Prime. The little gremlins you are always facing make me a bit nervous, though. I am starting to face a few of those myself.. I often become very interested when a S2ki member eventually joins NSXPrime. Your garage makes me very jealous as you have two of the best driver's cars out there.
Yeah, I've had a lot of small issues caused by having a car sit too long. AC core, heater core, TB and WP, hoses, oil leaks, brake fluid not cycled in ABS, electolytic capacitors drying up in stereo and Climate Control Unit, LMA's sticking, window regulators... etc. That being said, and the fact that the car is a royal pain in the ARSE to work on (I do all my own work), I still love it. I don't like the cost of some of the bits as NSX specific parts are stupid expensive.
The most troubling part is that there are many parts discontinued.
I talked at length with an Acura Customer Service Manager, who said that the Earthquake/Tsunami a few years back wiped out a lifetime of the stockpiled stock of replacement parts. Parts that will never be retooled for again for a discontinued car. This issue will sadly park a lot of these cars in the future. Until then, enjoy your ride. I've had a lot of great cars like ACR Vipers, Z06's, modified 996TT's, etc..., and the NSX trumps them all with it's balance of do-all capablility as a supercar.
Now, that being said... if I had to choose between NSX or the S2000 and had to give one up, I'd give up the NSX. Why? The S2K just does so much better. The input feedback, the drop top, the usefullness, the ruggedness the comparative moderness of the S2k just makes it more desirable to drive every day without drama. I don't mean this to be a wet blanket on anyone choosing an NSX, but this statement is more of a affirmation of just how good a well cared for S2000 is in comparison.
As for NSX ownership... Ferris Buheller said it best about supercars; "...if you have the means, I highly recommend it." The NSX is a flavor best driven. Drive yours and enjoy. It's a wonderful car.
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 05:04 AM
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What was wrong with Cayman S? You could buy one loaded with warranty for that price.....or even cheaper. Anything you didn't like about Porsche?
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