So how fast is the GTR without launch control?
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Originally Posted by nightwalker,Dec 12 2008, 12:09 AM
and witnessed a white GT-R
I've also witnessed tons of C6 z06s
I've also witnessed tons of C6 z06s
Thus, your comment is null and misleading.
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Originally Posted by OverBooster,Dec 11 2008, 10:54 PM
There, my friend is the flaw in your entire argument...your sample size. You witnessed "a" GTR and "tons" of Z06's. Anyone could make an erroneous conclusion (as you did) by forming an opinion off of one sample...the single GTR you witnessed. Clearly if one had witnessed "tons" of the same car at the track, one would intelligently expect there to be a variety of 1/4 mile times. Variables such as driver proficiency, weight, tire quality and tread, etc. all combine to give you a range of sample results.
Thus, your comment is null and misleading.
Thus, your comment is null and misleading.
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The variable with the corvettes were the drivers. Maybe the GTR had a really good driver.
Maybe the GTR is an easier car to drive.
You could take the sum of the posted time slips on NAGTROC with my observations and conclude that the GTR is an easier car to drive.
You could also search and find that the time slips posted by Corvette owners are in fact all over the place, and they've been at this game for a lot longer.
Maybe the GTR is an easier car to drive.
You could take the sum of the posted time slips on NAGTROC with my observations and conclude that the GTR is an easier car to drive.
You could also search and find that the time slips posted by Corvette owners are in fact all over the place, and they've been at this game for a lot longer.
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I can see the GTR being consistent given how much of the job is on the computer. Car and Driver actually had a funny article where they were bracket racing an H2. They did really well because the AWD Hummer was very consistent... not fast, consistent.
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Originally Posted by Yellow_S,Dec 11 2008, 10:13 PM
It doesn't matter if non-owners (myself included) hate or like the GT-R, their owners seem to be very ecstatic with the car, and like or dislike doesn't change anything.
So that means the cars sell in low volume and takes a long time to pay off it's R&D. That means the car's volume doesn't justify updates. We might get something cheap like a small displacement bump or some new interior bits but otherwise the car will be unchanged for years.
It's great when a car really really matches the wants of a market segment. However, it's not great for the future of that car if the segment is really small.
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Originally Posted by kenstyle,Dec 11 2008, 06:24 PM
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gtr threads 
gtr threads 
I've never seen more crying over a car. Some people act like the GTR drove itself into their house, busted the Sheetrock, and stuck its ding-a-ling into their wife 
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Originally Posted by nightwalker,Dec 12 2008, 09:59 AM
The variable with the corvettes were the drivers. Maybe the GTR had a really good driver.
Maybe the GTR is an easier car to drive.
You could take the sum of the posted time slips on NAGTROC with my observations and conclude that the GTR is an easier car to drive.
You could also search and find that the time slips posted by Corvette owners are in fact all over the place, and they've been at this game for a lot longer.
Maybe the GTR is an easier car to drive.
You could take the sum of the posted time slips on NAGTROC with my observations and conclude that the GTR is an easier car to drive.
You could also search and find that the time slips posted by Corvette owners are in fact all over the place, and they've been at this game for a lot longer.
perfectly launching a rwd car with over 450rwhp/420rwtq on stock tires is not an easy feat. see ranger and jamie furhman(sp) for examples of people that can do it over and over again like its no big deal
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Originally Posted by 565565,Dec 12 2008, 12:25 AM
Looks like the trap speed is unaffected, which is the true measure of straightline power anyway.
The 0-60 and 1/4 ET's are just representative of how hard you launch it.
You should basically ignore ET's and look only at trap speeds for an idea of straight line grunt, and how fast a car truly blasts down the straights on a track.
Launching a sports car is overrated anyway. In the many years I've had the C5 Z06, I've launched my Z06 just a handful of times, got pretty bad wheel hop about half the time, and decided it was a rather stupid and boring exercise as
A) I'm not a drag racer, so I don't find racing down the quartermile exactly stimulating in any way.
B) It clearly is hard on both the drivetrain and the tires, for no real enjoyment from me.
The point is, for a true all around performance car, the performance in the first few feet from a dead stop is completely irrelevant. Those that care about it are better off getting something with a live real axle and saving themselves money and headaches.
The 0-60 and 1/4 ET's are just representative of how hard you launch it.
You should basically ignore ET's and look only at trap speeds for an idea of straight line grunt, and how fast a car truly blasts down the straights on a track.
Launching a sports car is overrated anyway. In the many years I've had the C5 Z06, I've launched my Z06 just a handful of times, got pretty bad wheel hop about half the time, and decided it was a rather stupid and boring exercise as
A) I'm not a drag racer, so I don't find racing down the quartermile exactly stimulating in any way.
B) It clearly is hard on both the drivetrain and the tires, for no real enjoyment from me.
The point is, for a true all around performance car, the performance in the first few feet from a dead stop is completely irrelevant. Those that care about it are better off getting something with a live real axle and saving themselves money and headaches.
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Originally Posted by 565565,Dec 11 2008, 09:25 PM
Looks like the trap speed is unaffected, which is the true measure of straightline power anyway.
The 0-60 and 1/4 ET's are just representative of how hard you launch it.
You should basically ignore ET's and look only at trap speeds for an idea of straight line grunt, and how fast a car truly blasts down the straights on a track.
Launching a sports car is overrated anyway. In the many years I've had the C5 Z06, I've launched my Z06 just a handful of times, got pretty bad wheel hop about half the time, and decided it was a rather stupid and boring exercise as
A) I'm not a drag racer, so I don't find racing down the quartermile exactly stimulating in any way.
B) It clearly is hard on both the drivetrain and the tires, for no real enjoyment from me.
The point is, for a true all around performance car, the performance in the first few feet from a dead stop is completely irrelevant. Those that care about it are better off getting something with a live real axle and saving themselves money and headaches.
The 0-60 and 1/4 ET's are just representative of how hard you launch it.
You should basically ignore ET's and look only at trap speeds for an idea of straight line grunt, and how fast a car truly blasts down the straights on a track.
Launching a sports car is overrated anyway. In the many years I've had the C5 Z06, I've launched my Z06 just a handful of times, got pretty bad wheel hop about half the time, and decided it was a rather stupid and boring exercise as
A) I'm not a drag racer, so I don't find racing down the quartermile exactly stimulating in any way.
B) It clearly is hard on both the drivetrain and the tires, for no real enjoyment from me.
The point is, for a true all around performance car, the performance in the first few feet from a dead stop is completely irrelevant. Those that care about it are better off getting something with a live real axle and saving themselves money and headaches.