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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 01:29 PM
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I was hit by a drunk driver and my '98 ITR was totalled so I actually have a built JDM ITR engine for sale. It originally started off as a blue-printed Spoon engine but everything was rebuilt less that 5000 miles ago and I was aiming for 220whp after a cam tune. I have receipts for almost $10,000 worth of parts and labor and that's after a good deal from a friend's shop.

It might be a little too high-end for your purpose but this motor was built to track and was barely broken in. I'll sell it with the transmission/LSD/etc. for $6000. So pass the word to any of your swap friends in the bay area.

I was thinking of slapping this thing in a CRX for a badass track car later if it doesn't sell. S2000s/STIs/EVOs were not difficult to pass given the forgiving nature of a FWD with competitive HP and less weight.
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AP1FTW00,Jan 30 2008, 02:01 PM
EDIT: With your theory; if somebody wrecks a car they might as well not get another one because there's a 100% chance it will happen again? I don't see the logic in that.
Are these items you put into the car insured?

If you wreck a car with full coverage, you will get some money back. Depending on the insurance they might not cover the parts that get stolen again.

I wouldn't be so against it if the car wasn't a honda. They are just targets for theft and the prices for everything on them are overpriced. I own a Honda, I have owned a few before that, the only thing that I like about them is their durability but they aren't so durable for racing. Going off topic... I'll stop talking.
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 01:55 PM
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christople, im going to have to respectfully disagree with you about the price issue. i think that civics are very cheap to mod.
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 02:22 PM
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First, I think you are wasting your money. I prefer to buy cars, enjoy them, and lose as little $ in the process as possible so I can enjoy more [and more expensive cars] in the future. I usually make a profit because I've gotten very good at it.

Now that that's out of the way, 1500 isn't going to go very far. With the increased availability of the superior K series, B18C5 engines ["type rrrr"] are singificantly cheaper than they used to be, but I believe they are still around the 4k mark. B18C motors [gsr] are still not what I'd consider cheap, I see them from reliable sources in good shape for 2500-3k with transmission.

I've got an all original 4dr integra gsr that has stock compression across the board and traps 89mph dead stock down to the air filter. Guess what? It's still slow. It handles/steers/looks/brakes a lot better than an EK civic, but it still just an economy car with a little character. I'm not ragging on it, I OWN it. But it's sad to see people getting so excited and spending so much money to accomplish so little.

The type r engine itself is an impressive machine, but the type r package, the brakes, the chassis, the steering feel, the gear ratios, the LSD, the suspension is what makes the type r the type r. The engine is just one little part and even with the motor your car is still lacking so many of the qualities I think you are after.

I've driven a 99 ek with a type r engine/transmission. Yeah it was faster than my gsr, but i'd still rather have my gsr no questions asked, and it's slower.

Put that money in to a high yield savings account for now [I use e*trade was at 5.05%, now at 4.4%] and read up on investing. There is so much more out there than swapped civics.

The turbo route is not usually a good idea if you have to ask. There is a good chance you will blow your engine, and for some reason people that turbo civic motors [stock ones at that] aren't usually sleeping on piles of cash at night, if you get my drift.

You spend 1500 on a turbo kit, blow your motor, then spend 400 and two weekends putting a junk motor in it just to be out 2 grand and a lot of time/energy. If you really* know what you are doing it can be rewarding but I'd buy an LS and turbo it to 200whp before messing with the D series, the transmission isn't the strongest in the world either.
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sahtt,Jan 30 2008, 06:22 PM
First, I think you are wasting your money. I prefer to buy cars, enjoy them, and lose as little $ in the process as possible so I can enjoy more [and more expensive cars] in the future. I usually make a profit because I've gotten very good at it.

Now that that's out of the way, 1500 isn't going to go very far. With the increased availability of the superior K series, B18C5 engines ["type rrrr"] are singificantly cheaper than they used to be, but I believe they are still around the 4k mark. B18C motors [gsr] are still not what I'd consider cheap, I see them from reliable sources in good shape for 2500-3k with transmission.

I've got an all original 4dr integra gsr that has stock compression across the board and traps 89mph dead stock down to the air filter. Guess what? It's still slow. It handles/steers/looks/brakes a lot better than an EK civic, but it still just an economy car with a little character. I'm not ragging on it, I OWN it. But it's sad to see people getting so excited and spending so much money to accomplish so little.

The type r engine itself is an impressive machine, but the type r package, the brakes, the chassis, the steering feel, the gear ratios, the LSD, the suspension is what makes the type r the type r. The engine is just one little part and even with the motor your car is still lacking so many of the qualities I think you are after.

I've driven a 99 ek with a type r engine/transmission. Yeah it was faster than my gsr, but i'd still rather have my gsr no questions asked, and it's slower.

Put that money in to a high yield savings account for now [I use e*trade was at 5.05%, now at 4.4%] and read up on investing. There is so much more out there than swapped civics.

The turbo route is not usually a good idea if you have to ask. There is a good chance you will blow your engine, and for some reason people that turbo civic motors [stock ones at that] aren't usually sleeping on piles of cash at night, if you get my drift.

You spend 1500 on a turbo kit, blow your motor, then spend 400 and two weekends putting a junk motor in it just to be out 2 grand and a lot of time/energy. If you really* know what you are doing it can be rewarding but I'd buy an LS and turbo it to 200whp before messing with the D series, the transmission isn't the strongest in the world either.
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I have a GSR coupe OBD1 (1995) exact same way I think too! I have friends with intake/header/exhaust and I beat them because I have stickier tires and I'm stock!


better to just use it for what it is, its very maxxed out the way it is and buy a better real SPORTS car.
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.E.G.,Jan 30 2008, 05:55 PM
christople, im going to have to respectfully disagree with you about the price issue. i think that civics are very cheap to mod.
Wow, you must be really loaded with cash!

Last time I checked any B series engine with Intake/Header/Exhaust you gain oh let's say about 10-12 wheel horsepower!

With decent brand name stuff, you spend near 1000 bucks or more!


150-200 intake
250-400 header
whatever you want to base a price of metal for high flowing exhaust gases making noise - exhaust


1000 bucks can get you so much more other than more Front wheel torque steer with 100+ high schoolers wanting to jack your ride.
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Christople,Jan 30 2008, 03:46 PM
1000 bucks can get you so much more other than more Front wheel torque steer with 100+ high schoolers wanting to jack your ride.
I take offense to that! You need torque to have torque steer...
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 2wheelsmoker,Jan 30 2008, 06:50 PM
I take offense to that! You need torque to have torque steer...
Oh wait, I forgot...
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AP1FTW00,Jan 30 2008, 09:37 AM
Thanks for the responses. Glad I asked, I was leaning towards the b18c swap but that would cost a lot more than simply turboing the current motor.

His engine isn't stock is it? 13 psi on a stock D16 sounds like a blown motor might be coming. I've been told 9 psi is what you should run a turbo on a stock D16, but that's just what I've heard, doesn't make it right.
Yes his motor is bone stock, with 214k miles. I think he might have a P&P'd head, but not sure. He was on a budget and actually bought an ebay turbo-kit. When all was said and done, I think he put around $2,500 into it, since he did the install. And yes has been running on 13 psi for a good while.
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 12:31 PM
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Thanks for the input. After reading all the comments I think I'll do a little research and put my money in a bank account. Fix the windows and other damaged parts of my car, part the car out (what's left -- basically the air ride) and then sell it and hopefully buy an S2k

And special thanks to you sahtt for the idea.
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