HawkeyeGeoff

Thanks for your opinion, but I've been in both vehicles extensively and am pretty made up on it. The value is just too good in the V series with a manual trans, even with known problems. Hell it isn't any worse (and lets be honest really better) than the N54/N55 BMWs I've owned in the past. And the F80 looks like a complete nightmare to work on (check out the engine bay photos), which it will need by the time I can afford one. All the gaskets, waterpump, thermostat, all that bullshit that I've had to do on previous E Series BMWs looks to be in the queue for the F80. At the end of the day an LF4 is overall cheaper than S55B when problems crop up. Just my take on it.

Then again there's nothing stopping me from looking at Civic Type R's as well when the time comes to give up my E90. Who knows. I'm not looking to blow 40k on a car quite yet....waiting for the resales to fall into the high 20's. lol I'm plenty happy with my S2K, Ninja, and E90 for now.

engifineer

Agreed on this. Lots of writers and other folks keep asking why they keep using "antiquated" pushrod technology, when it performs amazing, is reliable and keeps costs down. New tech is not necessarily always the best path and this is an example when the old reliable just keeps getting the job done.

JonBoy

Good point on the "typical" BMW maintenance that inevitably hits. It's the biggest thing that keeps me from buying a used BMW. I've never had to deal with that kind of crap before and I don't know why it's required on a modern car. Changing oil pan gaskets and miscellaneous seals within 7 years is ridiculous, much less the other little things that tend to go.

I'm just more worried about losing an engine in an ATS-V than doing maintenance on a BMW, I guess. Problem is, I don't want to do either! It seems to be part of the "pain" of stepping up to more powerful, more focused cars, though. Only Lexus seems immune to the problem (IS-F, RC-F, etc), but they're quite a bit heavier as well, and no manual transmissions...

HawkeyeGeoff

Yeah you don't want a Lexus. IMO the extra effort is worth it in the end when you have a unique vehicle, but that's only if you're a nut like all of us and not a normal human that treats their car as an appliance.

Edit: BTW beautiful photography mate!

roel03

I'm sure Geoff is chomping at the bit to post more in this thread...

rob-2

BMW has convinced the US market they make amazing cars. If a Toyota needed all the same work no one would buy then. It’s cause half their owners lease and don’t care.

The Raptor

Say what?

The Raptor

I've owned a C7 vert for five years now, with 78K miles. I love it. I can't wait to drive a C8. In a year or two, it reportedly will have a twin turbo plus electric hybrid assist for 1,000 hp.

rwheelz

Way to go the Raptor. I have only put half that mileage on my C7Z over 4 years of ownership. I also only get to drive it half the year due to winter. I can say I have enjoyed every mile. No major failures, but the car is far from problem free.

The corvette has been making duds out of other cars for generations and that trend will likely continue with the C8. 1000hp is nuts. Where will it stop?

I don't really see potential Supra or BMW buyers cross shopping a corvette, but I was an import guy who never thought he would drive an American sports car and look at me now.

engifineer

If I am not mistaken, the vettes have been considered front mid engine (like the S2k) for many generations.