Go Back  S2KI Honda S2000 Forums > General Interest > Car Talk
Reload this Page >

The new Supra - who wanted this?

Car Talk Discussions and comparisions of cars of all makes and models.

The new Supra - who wanted this?

 
Old 05-16-2019, 06:22 AM
  #11  
 
Chuck S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Chesterfield VA
Posts: 7,207
Received 260 Likes on 247 Posts
Default

Anyone know the sales ratio of the automatic vs manual Miatas? I'm thinking the dealers can sell a lot more automatics there and here.

-- Chuck
Chuck S is online now  
Old 05-16-2019, 06:26 AM
  #12  
 
vader1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: ST Paul
Posts: 10,886
Received 116 Likes on 86 Posts
Default

I would take one the way it performs.........for $40,000. It is priced too high. Does it look cool? Yeah, I like it. Not in love with it. Does it go fast and handle well? Check those two boxes too. But it costs nearly as much as an M2 competition which is a better, faster car and can be had with three pedals. So it needs to cost less. IMHO a lot less. For me it slots below even M240i on my radar because of a manual and that is $45k before check any of the very few options on that car.

If I still want a manual and some power there is the slower but much cheaper 370z with a base price of $30k with deals to be had to get into the high twenties. It won't hang with a Supra, but is fun, again has three pedals, and is $25k cheaper to start.

Toyota will still sell a bunch because of fanbois, but the car is not for me unless discounted to $40,000. And those same Japanese car fanbois will still be tempted by a $35,000 Type R which is probably more fun even if not as fast.

Last edited by vader1; 05-16-2019 at 07:09 AM.
vader1 is offline  
Old 05-16-2019, 06:28 AM
  #13  
 
vader1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: ST Paul
Posts: 10,886
Received 116 Likes on 86 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Chuck S View Post
Anyone know the sales ratio of the automatic vs manual Miatas? I'm thinking the dealers can sell a lot more automatics there and here.

-- Chuck

Funny you should ask because this article appeared with the numbers yesterday.........(btw....read the first comment for giggles)

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/15/...ual-take-rate/


I really think that anyone wanting to hold onto cars like I do with my Cayman, will find that if they have a manual, they will get premium prices way down the road just for rarity-novelty sake because manuals will be long gone.
vader1 is offline  
Old 05-16-2019, 07:30 AM
  #14  
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Chicagoland Area
Posts: 250
Received 15 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Chuck S View Post
Anyone know the sales ratio of the automatic vs manual Miatas? I'm thinking the dealers can sell a lot more automatics there and here.

-- Chuck
Miata is well over 50% for manual.
M2 is a little over 50% manual.
These are the exceptions.
ChiHonda is offline  
Old 05-16-2019, 07:35 AM
  #15  
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Chicagoland Area
Posts: 250
Received 15 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by termigni View Post
People used to lose their minds over Kia Stinger's "fake" hood vents. This Supra has fake vents ALL AROUND the CAR and no one mentions it.
All the reviews I saw mentioned it, smoking tire, demuro, engineering explained, jalopnik. It seems like they are potentially functional. Toyota said they planned for aftermarket companies to replace them with functional vents. One journalist asked if Toyota could as well. They said yes. The speculation is that Toyota could later make a higher performance version with a bigger engine, brakes etc that could make use of more cooling. That said, do I want fake vents on my car? No.
ChiHonda is offline  
Old 05-16-2019, 07:50 AM
  #16  
 
JamesD89's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: San Diego
Posts: 557
Received 17 Likes on 17 Posts
Default

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...on-zero-to-60/

3.8 to 60, 12.3 in the 1/4, 1.07g on regular tires (PSS), under 3,400lbs. Not bad for a $50k car.
JamesD89 is offline  
Old 05-16-2019, 07:57 AM
  #17  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 19,268
Received 64 Likes on 56 Posts
Default

Watching it on track, it looks quite agile and composed, while still allowing some hooning if you want. I think it's right where it needs to be in terms of price and performance. Allegedly the motor is downrated to meet Toyota's longevity/reliability requirements. Apparently BMW was quite surprised when Toyota gave them the requirements. The motor is still underrated, I'm sure, but apparently it isn't as powerful as the BMW due to reliability concerns.

I haven't driven it (obviously) but I think the M2 is the most obvious competition for a car that's fairly daily-drivable but also capable of very high performance. The Mustang and Camaro are there in terms of performance but they're bigger, heavier cars and the interiors aren't nearly as nice. They lack the "cachet" of the BMW and, by extension, the Toyota (a BMW with a different badge). Interior layout and materials are light years apart between a Camaro and the Supra/BMW, that's for sure...
JonBoy is offline  
Old 05-16-2019, 08:26 AM
  #18  
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 649
Received 11 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by JonBoy View Post
Watching it on track, it looks quite agile and composed, while still allowing some hooning if you want. I think it's right where it needs to be in terms of price and performance. Allegedly the motor is downrated to meet Toyota's longevity/reliability requirements. Apparently BMW was quite surprised when Toyota gave them the requirements. The motor is still underrated, I'm sure, but apparently it isn't as powerful as the BMW due to reliability concerns.

I haven't driven it (obviously) but I think the M2 is the most obvious competition for a car that's fairly daily-drivable but also capable of very high performance. The Mustang and Camaro are there in terms of performance but they're bigger, heavier cars and the interiors aren't nearly as nice. They lack the "cachet" of the BMW and, by extension, the Toyota (a BMW with a different badge). Interior layout and materials are light years apart between a Camaro and the Supra/BMW, that's for sure...
I would assume all the tuning solutions for the bmw will
also be available for the Supra or something similar. Racechip and things like it should add a good power bump for little money and trouble.
ealand0001 is offline  
Old 05-16-2019, 08:29 AM
  #19  
 
vader1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: ST Paul
Posts: 10,886
Received 116 Likes on 86 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by JonBoy View Post
The Mustang and Camaro are there in terms of performance but they're bigger, heavier cars and the interiors aren't nearly as nice. .

Used SS's with a stick can be had for really bargain prices and start to intrigue me, and then I look at that dash and that steering wheel and could not stand to see it every day. I never thought a steering wheel could turn me off as much as it does but egad it is ugly. Put the Corvette wheel in that car and to me at least, you turn down the interior ugly by a factor of 10. The dash and console are still horrible, but might pass.
vader1 is offline  
Old 05-16-2019, 09:13 AM
  #20  
 
engifineer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1,324
Received 70 Likes on 60 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by JamesD89 View Post
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...on-zero-to-60/

3.8 to 60, 12.3 in the 1/4, 1.07g on regular tires (PSS), under 3,400lbs. Not bad for a $50k car.

With a BMW total cost of ownership. Just keep that part in mind when looking at the price tag.
engifineer is offline  

Quick Reply: The new Supra - who wanted this?


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands