Car Crime
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From: At Home
Originally Posted by John57' timestamp='1409942969' post='23317768
OK, rant over ! I would say come out for a day with us - i have done it before to 'open' peoples eyes but sadly we are not allowed any more due to 'health and safety'. Every person who I arranged a shift for was truly amazed at what they saw.
I joined it as a vocation. The thinking is people will now stay for 5 years, get burnt out and move on.
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you've seen some horrendous stuff working in traffic i'm sure John
The pensions are pretty amazing compared to private sector believe me, a friend of my old man's retired in his 50s from a relatively low rank and was pretty well off. final salary doesnt exist outside the public sector and you'd have a queue round the block with the chance to buy a good one for £6k/yr
link http://www.moneywise.co.uk/pensions/...-jobs-pensions
i don't read the mail or indeed any tabloid
a £30k pension based on 5% annuity rates is a fund of £600k today - that is very good, i look after my own pension being self employed so have some knowledge
in terms of performance i can only read it through my experience..
My car criminally damaged back in 1997 - no attendance, no call back, zip
My car criminally damaged, 2014 - no attendance, no call back, zip
other recent examples
Reported youth driving a motorbike on local cricket pitch past groups of kids - no attendance
Reported burglary - attendance, failed to apprehend despite spotting them and having a car
the list could go on but you get the idea, pretty much the only time i see the police is sat there with a speed gun. hence the image, for me at least.
The pensions are pretty amazing compared to private sector believe me, a friend of my old man's retired in his 50s from a relatively low rank and was pretty well off. final salary doesnt exist outside the public sector and you'd have a queue round the block with the chance to buy a good one for £6k/yr
The first, which closed in April 2006, gives members 1/60th of their final salary for each year's service with accelerated accrual at the rate of 2/60ths for each year after 20 years' service. The maximum pension entitlement is two-thirds of final salary, which can be achieved after 30 years' service, and members pay in 11% of their salary.
More recent entrants, however, join the newer scheme. With this, in return for a contribution of 9.5% of salary, a member will receive 1/70th of their final salary for each year's service. The maximum pension is half of final salary, requiring 35 years' service, and there's also a tax-free lump sum of four times the annual pension income.
Typical retirement income:
A 52-year-old police inspector on a salary of £45,000 and with 30 years' service can retire and receive an annual pension of two thirds of his salary, £30,000.
More recent entrants, however, join the newer scheme. With this, in return for a contribution of 9.5% of salary, a member will receive 1/70th of their final salary for each year's service. The maximum pension is half of final salary, requiring 35 years' service, and there's also a tax-free lump sum of four times the annual pension income.
Typical retirement income:
A 52-year-old police inspector on a salary of £45,000 and with 30 years' service can retire and receive an annual pension of two thirds of his salary, £30,000.
i don't read the mail or indeed any tabloid
a £30k pension based on 5% annuity rates is a fund of £600k today - that is very good, i look after my own pension being self employed so have some knowledge
in terms of performance i can only read it through my experience..
My car criminally damaged back in 1997 - no attendance, no call back, zip
My car criminally damaged, 2014 - no attendance, no call back, zip
other recent examples
Reported youth driving a motorbike on local cricket pitch past groups of kids - no attendance
Reported burglary - attendance, failed to apprehend despite spotting them and having a car
the list could go on but you get the idea, pretty much the only time i see the police is sat there with a speed gun. hence the image, for me at least.
The reason officers can't turn up is simply down to a huge workload. I don't like it but they are run ragged being pulled in many directions ... and that is before an emergency call comes in.
As for speed 'guns', etc - I have said it here many times but it is a tiny, tiny proportion of the work of a normal traffic officer and done mainly in response to targets led by the Government who are obsessed speed kills as opposed to many other things.
Camera vans were the work of the government and they were clever with that too. The Government gave the money solely to set up camera partnerships, got all the profits made and ruined the publics view of the police quite nicely thank you. My wife says I am cynical but I think it was a very clever idea to get money whilst deflecting anger onto the police pending the cuts over the last couple of years so that police bleating would fall on deaf ears from p***ed off drivers done for 36 in a 30.
I have to be careful what I post as we are advised strongly to delete all forum/Facebook/Twitter accounts or face discipline for posting stuff anyone doesn't like - so my comments will stop here.
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From: Sunny Norf*ck
The pensions are pretty amazing compared to private sector believe me, a friend of my old man's retired in his 50s from a relatively low rank and was pretty well off. final salary doesnt exist outside the public sector and you'd have a queue round the block with the chance to buy a good one for £6k/yr
link http://www.moneywise.co.uk/pensions/...-jobs-pensions
The first, which closed in April 2006, gives members 1/60th of their final salary for each year's service with accelerated accrual at the rate of 2/60ths for each year after 20 years' service. The maximum pension entitlement is two-thirds of final salary, which can be achieved after 30 years' service, and members pay in 11% of their salary.
More recent entrants, however, join the newer scheme. With this, in return for a contribution of 9.5% of salary, a member will receive 1/70th of their final salary for each year's service. The maximum pension is half of final salary, requiring 35 years' service, and there's also a tax-free lump sum of four times the annual pension income.
Typical retirement income:
A 52-year-old police inspector on a salary of £45,000 and with 30 years' service can retire and receive an annual pension of two thirds of his salary, £30,000.
More recent entrants, however, join the newer scheme. With this, in return for a contribution of 9.5% of salary, a member will receive 1/70th of their final salary for each year's service. The maximum pension is half of final salary, requiring 35 years' service, and there's also a tax-free lump sum of four times the annual pension income.
Typical retirement income:
A 52-year-old police inspector on a salary of £45,000 and with 30 years' service can retire and receive an annual pension of two thirds of his salary, £30,000.
edit: Having said that, £20k in your early 50s is a good slice of the average wage and there are security industry jobs and consultancy stuff that, after police work, are a breeze and can usually be tailored nicely as to hours worked etc. My brother in law retired aged 55, after many years as a humble PC, and now has a part time job for the village entrepreneur until when the State pension cuts in. A different level from Inspector but similar situation.
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From: Sunny Norf*ck
This is the sort of thing that you get called out to round here ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlvzgfmLkIY
Or if you prefer a sanitised version this is the BBC news article.
My brother in law has attended his share of RTAs with body parts to collect up.
Incidently I know that junction on the A47 well and avoid if possible. The trouble is, this is a stretch of the A47 which gently twists and undulates (Norfolk is not uniformly flat) and looks like a lovely driving road but you very rarely can drive at any speed due to volume of traffic. You have very few seconds coming down the 'hill' that the biker was on to the crossing, even at the legal speed. Fatalities at junctions along the extremely busy non dual carriageway sections of the A47 in Norfolk are a regular occurrence sadly. The biker was coming back to Norwich from a meeting at Kings Lynn and I don't think knew the road all that well or he simply would not have carried that speed into that section. In which case who knows what might or might not have happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlvzgfmLkIY
Or if you prefer a sanitised version this is the BBC news article.
My brother in law has attended his share of RTAs with body parts to collect up.
Incidently I know that junction on the A47 well and avoid if possible. The trouble is, this is a stretch of the A47 which gently twists and undulates (Norfolk is not uniformly flat) and looks like a lovely driving road but you very rarely can drive at any speed due to volume of traffic. You have very few seconds coming down the 'hill' that the biker was on to the crossing, even at the legal speed. Fatalities at junctions along the extremely busy non dual carriageway sections of the A47 in Norfolk are a regular occurrence sadly. The biker was coming back to Norwich from a meeting at Kings Lynn and I don't think knew the road all that well or he simply would not have carried that speed into that section. In which case who knows what might or might not have happened.
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From: Nottingham
I don't doubt collecting bodies like Rog's biker is a horrible task
The paperwork (mr original admin comment) is at least part of the issue but you can see why the perception exists based on experience?
We all end up cynical, its just a factor of age
The paperwork (mr original admin comment) is at least part of the issue but you can see why the perception exists based on experience?
We all end up cynical, its just a factor of age
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From: Lancashire UK
Originally Posted by Nottm_S2' timestamp='1409948412' post='23317937
The pensions are pretty amazing compared to private sector believe me, a friend of my old man's retired in his 50s from a relatively low rank and was pretty well off. final salary doesnt exist outside the public sector and you'd have a queue round the block with the chance to buy a good one for £6k/yr
link http://www.moneywise.co.uk/pensions/...-jobs-pensions
The first, which closed in April 2006, gives members 1/60th of their final salary for each year's service with accelerated accrual at the rate of 2/60ths for each year after 20 years' service. The maximum pension entitlement is two-thirds of final salary, which can be achieved after 30 years' service, and members pay in 11% of their salary.
More recent entrants, however, join the newer scheme. With this, in return for a contribution of 9.5% of salary, a member will receive 1/70th of their final salary for each year's service. The maximum pension is half of final salary, requiring 35 years' service, and there's also a tax-free lump sum of four times the annual pension income.
Typical retirement income:
A 52-year-old police inspector on a salary of £45,000 and with 30 years' service can retire and receive an annual pension of two thirds of his salary, £30,000.
More recent entrants, however, join the newer scheme. With this, in return for a contribution of 9.5% of salary, a member will receive 1/70th of their final salary for each year's service. The maximum pension is half of final salary, requiring 35 years' service, and there's also a tax-free lump sum of four times the annual pension income.
Typical retirement income:
A 52-year-old police inspector on a salary of £45,000 and with 30 years' service can retire and receive an annual pension of two thirds of his salary, £30,000.
edit: Having said that, £20k in your early 50s is a good slice of the average wage and there are security industry jobs and consultancy stuff that, after police work, are a breeze and can usually be tailored nicely as to hours worked etc. My brother in law retired aged 55, after many years as a humble PC, and now has a part time job for the village entrepreneur until when the State pension cuts in. A different level from Inspector but similar situation.
My "police precept" on the council tax has gone up every year averaging 10% across a number of years.... I am still waiting for someone to get back to me for an incident (report taken by a civilian too) that occurred in May.. NEVER see anyone on the "beat" around here...
So lets see, pay extra every year on the council tax, pay that directly to the police pension fund which far outstrips the average pension rates and cut the number of police on the beat....
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