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Car Crime
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29053978
I'm not surprised, nor overly against this in principle, I suspect many crimes would be solved quicker.
HOWEVER
When one does solve the crime and the perpetrator is found, I would assume one could levy whatever punishment they see fit. Of course not, just pass all your information onto the police and they'll shred the files for you to save you the hassle.
I'm not surprised, nor overly against this in principle, I suspect many crimes would be solved quicker.
HOWEVER
When one does solve the crime and the perpetrator is found, I would assume one could levy whatever punishment they see fit. Of course not, just pass all your information onto the police and they'll shred the files for you to save you the hassle.
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I think the important part here is to remember that the Police on the ground are incredibly under - resourced.
Tis the Govt that is to blame...not necessarily this one, who are trying to make ends meet (not necessarily by all the right means either), but it's not the Police that are at fault.
Tis the Govt that is to blame...not necessarily this one, who are trying to make ends meet (not necessarily by all the right means either), but it's not the Police that are at fault.
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don't agree
they're overpaid with their gilt edged pensions but the problem is much more likely to be admin workload
whenever i have dealt with the police it's been an entirely negative experience. for me they can cut the budget by another 50% and i'll see no difference in performance, which is basically near zero anyway
they're overpaid with their gilt edged pensions but the problem is much more likely to be admin workload
whenever i have dealt with the police it's been an entirely negative experience. for me they can cut the budget by another 50% and i'll see no difference in performance, which is basically near zero anyway
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they're overpaid with their gilt edged pensions but the problem is much more likely to be admin workload
whenever i have dealt with the police it's been an entirely negative experience. for me they can cut the budget by another 50% and i'll see no difference in performance, which is basically near zero anyway
whenever i have dealt with the police it's been an entirely negative experience. for me they can cut the budget by another 50% and i'll see no difference in performance, which is basically near zero anyway
I remember in the early noughties, when I was working in London, the Evening Standard getting very exercised by yet another drop in the entry requ
irements for Met Police Cadets. IIRC, it had been dropped to just two GCSEs, perhaps even one. Combine that with a memorable occasion when I was nicked for speeding by a copper who had Love and Hate tattooed on his knuckles and who took minutes to write out the ticket, each letter or character having to be deliberately formed. He probably stuck his tongue out whilst doing this but I was too preoccupied with his knuckles to notice.
I suspect your average coppers - and I'm obviously excluding John57 on here (
) - just aren't the sharpest tools in the box. Blend that with a public sector work ethos and it's not a recipe for stunning results.
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don't agree
they're overpaid with their gilt edged pensions but the problem is much more likely to be admin workload
whenever i have dealt with the police it's been an entirely negative experience. for me they can cut the budget by another 50% and i'll see no difference in performance, which is basically near zero anyway
they're overpaid with their gilt edged pensions but the problem is much more likely to be admin workload
whenever i have dealt with the police it's been an entirely negative experience. for me they can cut the budget by another 50% and i'll see no difference in performance, which is basically near zero anyway
I have been in the police for 25 years and have seen it go from difficult to get in when I joined - they took probably 5 of 30 of us ... to silly easy ... and then back to difficult again. Some officers are indeed idiots (like any job) but I think 70% or thereabouts now taken are graduates (doesn't mean they are not idiots though! ).
If you think we are overpaid then you haven't had a day out with the police I would guess ! I have been spat at, punched, bitten and heard a colleague getting shot - but I was aware of the risks when I joined. I have seen 3 people beheaded and dealt with many bereaved families as a family liaison officer. I have seen more dead people than you would probably imagine in conditions and circumstances you would - I guess - find it difficult to comprehend yet have to maintain a totally professional face when dealing with the public at cordons who argue about me inconveniencing them on their journey! Try telling a young mother of 3 (as I have) her partner has been beheaded in a traffic collision, see the look on her face as I destroyed her life and then tell me I am overpaid. Yes, I knew when I joined what I was going into but most who criticise have no true idea what officers do !
The Government has made my job unbelievably difficult and police officers are afraid to lay hands on people now for getting complaints and generally coming to notice. The government has fed the media information and there is a clear agenda against us not helped by some idiots in my job and the wonderful police federation.
Many people I meet say 'You're ok but the others are thick and rude', etc, etc. Well, I think I am in the position to say the vast majority of my colleagues are just like me and the vast majority of my friends just haven't met them. I take calls at all hours from my job to make it work. If we stuck to the 8 hour shift the job would grind to a halt. I am expected to change shifts and days off at no notice voluntarily. There is compensation for this on paper but my unit doesn't get it - we are expected to put up with the changes as part of the job. I have recently taken calls at 7.15am and 11pm on a day off - as we wanted to get a job to court ok. Is that the zero performance you mention ??
The pension is good but nothing like people make out or the papers. I think my last pay packet I paid £500+ into it - but read the Daily Mail and they intimate it is a perk which is massively subsidised. Do anything wrong over 30, or the now 35 years and potentially lose all of it. I joined at it was a good pension but the papers even manage to lie about it anyway.
It is a good job but I have taken all the exams I can to progress ... coming 5th in the country for the Inspectors exam out of I think 1500 people yet can not get promoted due to cuts and very few opportunities. It is a frustrating and demoralising job full of people trying their best against a system which is appalling and a government who think we are all thick.
I deal with lawyers who assume we are thick as they deal with officers every day who have zero knowledge of the courts system yet fail to realise that the court training is minimal and many officers have to learn on the job. It doesn't help when a QC says to an officer on his first appearance in court "You see those letters, QC, after my name - that means I have a brain and am clever, unlike you who doesn't have a brain." What a wonderful thing to say to a new officer.
OK, rant over ! I would say come out for a day with us - i have done it before to 'open' peoples eyes but sadly we are not allowed any more due to 'health and safety'. Every person who I arranged a shift for was truly amazed at what they saw.
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From: Fareham, Hants
don't agree
they're overpaid with their gilt edged pensions but the problem is much more likely to be admin workload
whenever i have dealt with the police it's been an entirely negative experience. for me they can cut the budget by another 50% and i'll see no difference in performance, which is basically near zero anyway
they're overpaid with their gilt edged pensions but the problem is much more likely to be admin workload
whenever i have dealt with the police it's been an entirely negative experience. for me they can cut the budget by another 50% and i'll see no difference in performance, which is basically near zero anyway
Being in the public sector is why the Police are overflowing with administration clerks and civil servants - there's so much worrying over litigation and being sued, the real issues have little resource in the budget.
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Interesting comments. To what extent would you agree that in the past policing was a vocation whereas now it's become "just another job"?
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you've seen some horrendous stuff working in traffic i'm sure John
The pensions are pretty amazing compared to private sector believe me, a friend of my old man's retired in his 50s from a relatively low rank and was pretty well off. final salary doesnt exist outside the public sector and you'd have a queue round the block with the chance to buy a good one for £6k/yr
link http://www.moneywise.co.uk/pensions/...-jobs-pensions
i don't read the mail or indeed any tabloid
a £30k pension based on 5% annuity rates is a fund of £600k today - that is very good, i look after my own pension being self employed so have some knowledge
in terms of performance i can only read it through my experience..
My car criminally damaged back in 1997 - no attendance, no call back, zip
My car criminally damaged, 2014 - no attendance, no call back, zip
other recent examples
Reported youth driving a motorbike on local cricket pitch past groups of kids - no attendance
Reported burglary - attendance, failed to apprehend despite spotting them and having a car
the list could go on but you get the idea, pretty much the only time i see the police is sat there with a speed gun. hence the image, for me at least.
The pensions are pretty amazing compared to private sector believe me, a friend of my old man's retired in his 50s from a relatively low rank and was pretty well off. final salary doesnt exist outside the public sector and you'd have a queue round the block with the chance to buy a good one for £6k/yr
The first, which closed in April 2006, gives members 1/60th of their final salary for each year's service with accelerated accrual at the rate of 2/60ths for each year after 20 years' service. The maximum pension entitlement is two-thirds of final salary, which can be achieved after 30 years' service, and members pay in 11% of their salary.
More recent entrants, however, join the newer scheme. With this, in return for a contribution of 9.5% of salary, a member will receive 1/70th of their final salary for each year's service. The maximum pension is half of final salary, requiring 35 years' service, and there's also a tax-free lump sum of four times the annual pension income.
Typical retirement income:
A 52-year-old police inspector on a salary of £45,000 and with 30 years' service can retire and receive an annual pension of two thirds of his salary, £30,000.
More recent entrants, however, join the newer scheme. With this, in return for a contribution of 9.5% of salary, a member will receive 1/70th of their final salary for each year's service. The maximum pension is half of final salary, requiring 35 years' service, and there's also a tax-free lump sum of four times the annual pension income.
Typical retirement income:
A 52-year-old police inspector on a salary of £45,000 and with 30 years' service can retire and receive an annual pension of two thirds of his salary, £30,000.
i don't read the mail or indeed any tabloid
a £30k pension based on 5% annuity rates is a fund of £600k today - that is very good, i look after my own pension being self employed so have some knowledge
in terms of performance i can only read it through my experience..
My car criminally damaged back in 1997 - no attendance, no call back, zip
My car criminally damaged, 2014 - no attendance, no call back, zip
other recent examples
Reported youth driving a motorbike on local cricket pitch past groups of kids - no attendance
Reported burglary - attendance, failed to apprehend despite spotting them and having a car
the list could go on but you get the idea, pretty much the only time i see the police is sat there with a speed gun. hence the image, for me at least.