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Old Nov 6, 2013 | 11:30 AM
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Phil , I was stuck behind him doing 65 not by choice i had higher velocites in mind!

I actually pulled over to lane 2 on several occasions for some distance then indicated and kept doing so re entering lane 3 in the hope he would get the message. To no avail

The Audi is supposed to do 64mpg , that must be off beachy head with a tail wind , currently the average is 45.5. So in the real world not very good. Our Citroen Relay long wheel base VAN with more BHP is returning 44.7 average, so the Audi isnt very good !

Freeway's would be a good idea especially on the M25.
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Old Nov 6, 2013 | 10:33 PM
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I too would be 'pro' dual side overtaking, although I'm not sure what the outside lane brigade and CLOG drivers would do next to retain their little bit of long lost control!
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by TangoVTEC
I too would be 'pro' dual side overtaking, although I'm not sure what the outside lane brigade and CLOG drivers would do next to retain their little bit of long lost control!

Weave across all three lanes?

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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 01:25 AM
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I admit I'm impatient, but impatience coupled with a lack of common sense.....
I was queuing at traffic lights the other day, on a side road trying to join a busy 2 lane (in both directions) road. As we slowly moved forward with each changing of the lights a couple of people decided it would help if they pipped their horns.

Did they expect the people at the front - 5 cars ahead - or those on the main road to hear the peep and think, "someone pipped, oh well better get my arse in gear then. Clearly this is a busy and important person that I'm holding up"

And this week I held back at some lights to let an ambulance cross the junction. It was an open junction and the ambulance could be seen as well as hear. As it passed in front of me, the woman in the car behind pipped her horn. Luckily an ambulance was on hand to take her straight to the hospital.
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CHIPPO
The Audi is supposed to do 64mpg , that must be off beachy head with a tail wind , currently the average is 45.5. So in the real world not very good. Our Citroen Relay long wheel base VAN with more BHP is returning 44.7 average, so the Audi isnt very good !
Wow. that's bad. I do wander what recourse consumers might have in future over such outlandish claims.

Our little civic (gone add forgotten the next day) claimed 45... we achieved 37. The CRV, claims 38, we are getting 33, so 10-15% out which I can live with.

64 v 45?!?! that's about 30% shy? I would be tempted to take it back and say it must be broken to see what they say.

And more strangely, we had the old 140 tdi in a 2005 A3 and I was seeing 48/49 in that?
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by phil121081
Originally Posted by CHIPPO' timestamp='1383769818' post='22864846
The Audi is supposed to do 64mpg , that must be off beachy head with a tail wind , currently the average is 45.5. So in the real world not very good. Our Citroen Relay long wheel base VAN with more BHP is returning 44.7 average, so the Audi isnt very good !
Wow. that's bad. I do wander what recourse consumers might have in future over such outlandish claims.

Our little civic (gone add forgotten the next day) claimed 45... we achieved 37. The CRV, claims 38, we are getting 33, so 10-15% out which I can live with.

64 v 45?!?! that's about 30% shy? I would be tempted to take it back and say it must be broken to see what they say.

And more strangely, we had the old 140 tdi in a 2005 A3 and I was seeing 48/49 in that?
You'll note that, following complaints to the ASA, Audi adverts now carry text to state that the quoted mpg figures are based on a standardised test and may (will) not be achieved in day to day usage

http://www.thegreencarwebsite.co.uk/...top-rules-asa/

and linked from there: http://www.transportenvironment.org/...-match-reality some useful stats and stuff there.

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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 02:05 AM
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Apologies if this is covered in the link LG but the whole MPG testing area needs to be looked at.
Hard to feel sorry for the manufacturers, but the MPG advertised is hardly their "claim" any more. It's the figure the car gets during a series of impossible to replicate tests conducted in a lab over a very, very short period of time.

Yes, cars are engineered to perform as well as possible in the test but it's hardly a surprise when we can't replicate it in the real world.
The fact that the Audi drops from 64 to 45 MPG in the real world versus Honda's 45 to 37 is either an indication of Audi's cannyness when it comes to engineering for the test or Honda's honesty (if that's the right word) in just trying to get the best for the customer.

Neither manufacturer is necessarily wrong, rather it's the test.
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 02:11 AM
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Off topic I find I get better mpg driving a weasel at around 2k rpm on a light throttle just keeping the turbo spinning as opposed to driving in as high a gear as possible. Means 5th gear at 70ish on mways. Means less throttle movement to maintain the speed.

Am getting 39ish out of a rav4 renowned for struggling to get 35mpg when claimed is 42.
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by gaddafi
Just allow undertaking on any side. People that enjoy holding others up (and these are far more of a problem than the simply gormless) would soon realise their best option would be the left hand lane. I couldn't believe what I saw the other day - a person under professional instruction in the right hand (of two) lane of the A24 for over three miles at 30mph. How there wasn't a multiple, serious accident, I will never know.
From what I gather, undertaking is legal.

I was 'making progress' on the M6 toll, as one does, and came across a number of cars who were all CLOGs as CHIPPO puts it.

I undertook them.

Reason?

I was on the inside lane, you know the place where you go when there is nothing to overtake. In order for me to overtake I would have had to swerve across two lanes and then move back again. Or I could stay in my lane.

The highway code seems to agree with this - after all, everyone undertakes in a traffic jam without issue.
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by GarethB
Apologies if this is covered in the link LG but the whole MPG testing area needs to be looked at.
Hard to feel sorry for the manufacturers, but the MPG advertised is hardly their "claim" any more. It's the figure the car gets during a series of impossible to replicate tests conducted in a lab over a very, very short period of time.

Yes, cars are engineered to perform as well as possible in the test but it's hardly a surprise when we can't replicate it in the real world.
The fact that the Audi drops from 64 to 45 MPG in the real world versus Honda's 45 to 37 is either an indication of Audi's cannyness when it comes to engineering for the test or Honda's honesty (if that's the right word) in just trying to get the best for the customer.

Neither manufacturer is necessarily wrong, rather it's the test.
We had a good discussion on this in this recent thread: https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/105...-car-mags-and/

See Nick's post (#11) which discusses how "honest" Honda tend to be.
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