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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 03:24 AM
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Good race.

Nice result for Kubica.

The McLaren drivers were clearly the best out there today.

Lewis' dummy may have been spat out, but I think I would have spat mine out too if my race had been marred by a poor strategical decision like that.

And what the hell was Webber thinking?!
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by san2000,Mar 28 2010, 11:24 AM
And what the hell was Webber thinking?!
Reminded me of all the criticism that Webber has made of LH in the past:

http://totalf1.com/full_story/view/282455/...sm_of_Hamilton/
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by san2000,Mar 28 2010, 11:24 AM

Lewis' dummy may have been spat out, but I think I would have spat mine out too if my race had been marred by a poor strategical decision like that.
I doubt you'd have come across as quite such a petulant little jerk though

still, he's only young and daddy isn't there to look after him

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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 05:53 AM
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That's true. Where is Hamilton senior this season?
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ianl,Mar 28 2010, 08:30 AM
BUT....I still see the fundamental problem which made the Bahrain race so dull - Hamilton, 2 sec's a lap quicker than the struggling red cars & he couldn't get past them.
But maybe that's racing. People always go on about "overtaking", but if everytime any driver caught another they could breeze past, it'd be incredibly dull. It's the wheel to wheel racing we want to see.

Hamilton passed loads of people (that move round the outside of Rosberg in a fast corner was amazing), and the aerodynamics didn't seem to be a problem for him then. And he wouldn't have been 2 seconds a lap quicker at that stage as everybody was on the same tyres. I think the reason he couldn't get past Alonso was a) it was Alonso, and b) the Ferrari has pleanty of straight line speed, c) his tyres were going off a bit, and d) he was in a bad mood and lost motivation.

What this race shows vs Bahrain is how much difference the circuit makes, and was the talk of banning refuelling ruining F1 was nonsense.
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo,Mar 28 2010, 04:14 PM
I think the reason he couldn't get past Alonso was a) it was Alonso, and b) the Ferrari has pleanty of straight line speed, c) his tyres were going off a bit, and d) he was in a bad mood and lost motivation.
I think the main reason was the turbulence and loss of downforce in the 'dirty air'.

With the difference in tyre grip, he would otherwise have passed him I reckon, considering how quickly he gained on him.

I'm still surprised he didn't do it. Whether he would have done or not in the next few laps, we'll never know of course.
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by san2000,Mar 28 2010, 04:37 PM
I think the main reason was the turbulence and loss of downforce in the 'dirty air'.

With the difference in tyre grip, he would otherwise have passed him I reckon, considering how quickly he gained on him.
So explain why he was able to pass so many other people then?
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo,Mar 28 2010, 04:40 PM
So explain why he was able to pass so many other people then?
Alonso had too much grunt out of corners I think, which the other cars didn't have so much of.

And Alonso kept the car in the right defensive line.
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 08:58 AM
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In addition, Alonso was stuck behind Massa, so could have gone faster. As it was, his extra speed enabled him to stay ahead of Hamilton.
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by san2000,Mar 28 2010, 04:48 PM
Alonso had too much grunt out of corners I think, which the other cars didn't have so much of.

And Alonso kept the car in the right defensive line.
Indeed. The point I was making is that you can't blame the aerodynamics. No matter how close the following driver gets, and no matter how much faster he is round the corners on an empty track, if the leading driver has better traction and/or power you can't get past down the straight (unless you get a tow, which is a function of the aerodynamics).

It's not a fundamental problem with F1, it's a fundamental problem with motor racing. Fast round a clear track means cornering speed, but that doesn't necessarily help you get past people with more power. Caterfield vs. Turbo Nutter Barge.

But let's hope we have more races like that.
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