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Old May 16, 2016 | 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
I think if you asked him he'd rather have had the opportunity to race and potentially reduce the gap by 7 points. There's now one less chance for him to catch up.

Nico must be kicking himself that he didn't see that Lewis was out of control and get out of the way. Because then he'd have extended his lead by 25 points.
I wasn't suggesting Hamilton did it deliberately (á la Senna), it was just an observation.
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Old May 16, 2016 | 05:53 AM
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IMO - Rosberg's fault 100%

Any racing driver that has reached the pinnacle of the sport would take the opportunity to overtake car that was in less than 100% condition. This was obvious to Hamilton because of the flashing light on harvesting and the speed difference. If Lewis hadn't tried to overtake or had lifted he would have had the following cars bearing down and overtaking him.

So he had to move towards the gap with full speed - this was his only option by instinct.

Nico had made a mistake with his mode causing his slow speed - his mistake - he wasn't reacting to anybody else's mistake or accident.

Nico's first response should be to sort it out in a safe manner maintaining his line/trajectory - not to deviate. He realised that Lewis would attempt a pass and hence he moved across the circuit to obstruct - Nico should then leave a car's width. It is irrelevant if he knew exactly where Lewis was or not. An accident on a straight piece of track before a braking zone has to be caused by somebody being at fault and not a racing accident.

Such a block against a striker bearing down on goal in football would result in a red card - ie a cynical foul - and NR would have similarly been punished here if the cars had been from different teams.

If the car/drivers positions had been reversed I feel the outcome may well have been exactly the same and LH would have been at fault.
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Old May 16, 2016 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MRGDave
IMO - Rosberg's fault 100%

Any racing driver that has reached the pinnacle of the sport would take the opportunity to overtake car that was in less than 100% condition. This was obvious to Hamilton because of the flashing light on harvesting and the speed difference. If Lewis hadn't tried to overtake or had lifted he would have had the following cars bearing down and overtaking him.

So he had to move towards the gap with full speed - this was his only option by instinct.

Nico had made a mistake with his mode causing his slow speed - his mistake - he wasn't reacting to anybody else's mistake or accident.

Nico's first response should be to sort it out in a safe manner maintaining his line/trajectory - not to deviate. He realised that Lewis would attempt a pass and hence he moved across the circuit to obstruct - Nico should then leave a car's width. It is irrelevant if he knew exactly where Lewis was or not. An accident on a straight piece of track before a braking zone has to be caused by somebody being at fault and not a racing accident.

Such a block against a striker bearing down on goal in football would result in a red card - ie a cynical foul - and NR would have similarly been punished here if the cars had been from different teams.

If the car/drivers positions had been reversed I feel the outcome may well have been exactly the same and LH would have been at fault.
I'm inclined to agree with you in the main here. I first viewed it as Rosberg's fault, that was my gut feeling. I can see the other sides to this and LH going for a gap that was evidently closing, however Rosberg was in the poop and he knew it, Lewis was always going to go for the gap and he closed the door, arguably too late. The fact is that according to the rule book, Lewis had a 'significant' amount of his car (they say the front wing, he has wing and front wheel) alongside whilst still on the track...

The FIA have stated that it was only for a fraction of second, but that is what this sport is all about, you can moss out on P1 by only a fraction of a second, or miss out on track position with an iffy pitstop but a fraction of a second, but you still miss out. To me, the letter of the law says who is or isn't at fault, not who is nearly at fault, or at fault, but only by a small margin.

It was a shame and hope it's not another nail in LH title bid, as the season is starting to look pretty dull already with NR big lead and someone boring (albeit effective) style.

LH fanboy? perhaps. It's a good story and he's putting GB on the motorsport map.
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Old May 16, 2016 | 09:18 AM
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Anyway ... an eighteen year old won the Grand Prix. We should probably be talking about that ...
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Old May 16, 2016 | 09:38 AM
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Old May 16, 2016 | 09:43 AM
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it's a fair point but it's less divisive

plus i only watched the first bit, when i was in the gym so missed out on the youngster's epic race
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Old May 16, 2016 | 10:25 AM
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Another case where 99% of the 'race' is actually attrition and strategies whereas 99% of the interest is in racing for the first 4 turns on a well known difficult to pass track. Ah well. But as someone said Rosberg has a bit of backbone and won't duck challenges any more if he ever did. I expect more of the same to come as Hamilton won't go quietly into the night
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Old May 17, 2016 | 04:12 AM
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Spain's always boring. But at least we had a race for the lead, although once Vestappen had got the hang of getting enough drive off the last corner Raikonnen had no chance to get past and that was that. I was certain the front two would need to pit again and therefore the real race was between Vettel and Ricciardo.
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Old May 17, 2016 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
Spain's always boring. But at least we had a race for the lead, although once Vestappen had got the hang of getting enough drive off the last corner Raikonnen had no chance to get past and that was that. I was certain the front two would need to pit again and therefore the real race was between Vettel and Ricciardo.
Spain is usually followed by Monaco, and Sector 3 times at Barcelona provides a good indication as to who is likely to go well in Monaco. Kvyat topped the sector times in Spain, with the two Red Bulls and the Ferraris making up the Top 5, although the Mercedes didn't feature on the race timesheet.

All post-race info is available on the FIA website http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formul...information-13
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Old May 17, 2016 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by imc27
Originally Posted by s2k_Nut' timestamp='1463337919' post='23967237
As I said earlier in this thread, accidents, crashes are what people want to see in motor sport, it gives the spice. This race was as dull as every other Spanish GP for the last 30 years I been watching F1, the circuit is crap and impossible (almost) to overtake, take out the first lap incident on this GP and what have you got, a procession that's what, I watch week after week hoping for some racing, and week after week it's boring.

Rosberg was 100% in the wrong, had I been a steward I would have had him at fault for causing a collision, had I been a Mercedes team boss I would have his card marked because he is out of contract next year and I would be reminding him of such, Rosberg has history of this kind of thing!
You're going to hate Monaco even more then. Do please let us know once again how much you hate Formula 1 racing, and how you wish that you could somehow avoid having to watch it.

Rosberg was leading, notwithstanding his slightly reduced pace, and was fully entitled to make one move to protect his position. It just so happened that Hamilton was aiming for a rapidly reducing gap.

As I said, six of one and half a dozen of another. Which the Stewards (who do, incidentally, understand motor racing, unlike some, and are provided with film footage and telemetry data not available to the event broadcasters) agreed with. A racing incident.
Rosberg was fully entitled to make the move, but he shouldn't have and this is why it's his fault. He knew he was down 180bhp because of his cock up with the engine mode and knew that Hamilton was going to pass him regardless of left or right side of the track, so what does Rosberg do? He waits to see which side Hamilton chooses for the easy overtake they both know is going to happen and heads in that direction on purpose (he states to close the door, but he had ZERO chance of keeping Hamilton behind), had he not done that and stayed on his left side of the circuit Hamilton would have passed without incident. Poor sportsmanship, driving someone off the circuit is not a racing incident it's cheating and churlish.

I know what Monaco brings, and expect it to be a borefest however, Monaco can spring surprises as it's very easy to make a mistake and crash, and what do I say people watch racing for ... yes that's right the crashes if not the 'racing'. Best races at Monaco are in the wet, the best driver of Monaco was Ayrton Senna - don't believe me watch this (FULL SCREEN)
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJZTc1U1tM[/media]
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