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Old Jul 3, 2016 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus
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Also bizarre they FIA have given a 10 second penalty when they know it would make no difference to his points.
The penalty makes sense. He lost two positions and if there was no penalty, precedent would be set. Thus the stewards acted and Rosberg was penalised.
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Interesting to note that the penalty is not for the collision per se, rather it is for Rosberg spreading bits of Mercedes liberally around the circuit.
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Old Jul 3, 2016 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ianl
Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus' timestamp='1467586234' post='24008294
[quote name='MB' timestamp='1467584825' post='24008289']
Also bizarre they FIA have given a 10 second penalty when they know it would make no difference to his points.
The penalty makes sense. He lost two positions and if there was no penalty, precedent would be set. Thus the stewards acted and Rosberg was penalised.
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Interesting to note that the penalty is not for the collision per se, rather it is for Rosberg spreading bits of Mercedes liberally around the circuit.
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That's not quite correct. The 10 second penalty was for being "responsible for the collision" and "not allowing racing room".

He got 2 points on his licence for continuing with a damaged car.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/h...ton-clash.html



With regard to the collision itself, the statement from the stewards read: "Having taken note of the extensive evidence given by both drivers and the video and telemetry data, it was apparent that Car 44 (HAM) was in front of Car 6 (ROS) – i.e. more than fully alongside – and that the driver of Car 44 could have clearly made the turn (T2) on the track, if not for the resultant collision.

"Car 6 did not allow Car 44 "racing room" and hence the driver of Car 6 was responsible for the collision."


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Old Jul 4, 2016 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus
I understood what Rosberg tried to do, but it was a bit daft.

He has tried to dictate the absolute minimum space he was required to give to Hamilton. And if you look at it, when he started turning in was for that one car's width of space.

Hamilton turned in on Rosberg which is undeniable.

However, Rosberg's car had malfunctioned and he was down on braking power compared to Hamilton. He should have settled for second and mitigated the points loss as best he could.
Ron, you're letting your dislike of Hamilton cloud your judgement....

That crash was totally Rosberg's fault. Hamilton did turn in, but what else could he do? He was slightly ahead, at the outside of the track, and into the corner when he turned in.

In my opinion, Rosberg is playing a risky game in trying to impose himself on Hamilton and make Hamilton scared of him. He's not making a good job of it and its losing him both points and reputation.
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Old Jul 4, 2016 | 12:15 AM
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The overlay of Rosbergs turn in from the same corner the previous lap did it for me
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Old Jul 4, 2016 | 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MB
Ron it's complete nonsense that Hamilton 'turned in on him. - he had no option but to take the corner, he was at the track edge amd done all he should have at that point. Rosberg effectively ran him off the track and made no attempt to turn. You must give people space in that circumstance amd as you're blind at that point, you turn and have to hope the other car has done the right thing. At the point Lewis turned, Nico had sailed into the side of him.

100% Rosberg f@#k up.

Also bizarre they FIA have given a 10 second penalty when they know it would make no difference to his points.
WHS. If anything Hamilton left a couple of cars worth of space.

Fair point about Canada, but I think then Hamilton did just understeer into him on cold tyres whereas this time it looked like Rosberg didn't even try. Clearly Nico's determined not to give an inch, but this one was just dumb and cost him 2nd at least, and possibly the win (though probably not if his brakes were failing).

They should really change the penalties to make it a once place demotion, otherwise it's no penalty at all.

Good race though. Seemed to be action all the way through.
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Old Jul 4, 2016 | 01:30 AM
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Canada (and Texas last year) were all at the first corner where there is a lot more leniency.

The 10 second penalty is standard for this type of infringement, and, as he lost out 6 (or 13) points as a result, it seems fair enough.
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Old Jul 4, 2016 | 05:22 AM
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I think the FIA should be looking at data on the lines of unsportsmanlike / bringing the sport into disrepute - it's was a really really poor move and he's gone way down in my estimation.

It was more obvious than Senna on Prost!
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Old Jul 4, 2016 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MB
I think the FIA should be looking at data on the lines of unsportsmanlike / bringing the sport into disrepute - it's was a really really poor move and he's gone way down in my estimation.

It was more obvious than Senna on Prost!
Frustration showing. He was in the lead from 7th, his car was playing up and his tyres were on the way out. Add in how Hamilton drives him off the circuit ever time he's on the outside and I can see why he snapped.

But yes it was a bit daft.

There is still all to play for, especially at Silverstone where both of them are fast.
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Old Jul 4, 2016 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by lovegroova
Originally Posted by ianl' timestamp='1467594421' post='24008349
[quote name='Ultra_Nexus' timestamp='1467586234' post='24008294']
[quote name='MB' timestamp='1467584825' post='24008289']
Also bizarre they FIA have given a 10 second penalty when they know it would make no difference to his points.
The penalty makes sense. He lost two positions and if there was no penalty, precedent would be set. Thus the stewards acted and Rosberg was penalised.
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Interesting to note that the penalty is not for the collision per se, rather it is for Rosberg spreading bits of Mercedes liberally around the circuit.
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That's not quite correct. The 10 second penalty was for being "responsible for the collision" and "not allowing racing room".

He got 2 points on his licence for continuing with a damaged car.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/h...ton-clash.html



With regard to the collision itself, the statement from the stewards read: "Having taken note of the extensive evidence given by both drivers and the video and telemetry data, it was apparent that Car 44 (HAM) was in front of Car 6 (ROS) – i.e. more than fully alongside – and that the driver of Car 44 could have clearly made the turn (T2) on the track, if not for the resultant collision.

"Car 6 did not allow Car 44 "racing room" and hence the driver of Car 6 was responsible for the collision."

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Quite right - sorry!
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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 03:36 AM
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Silverstone. And, predictably, rain is expected both tomorrow and race day.

Silverstone looks resplendent with new black and white kerbing which, unlike Austria last weekend, hasn't managed to destroy anybody's suspension.

News this morning that Kimi Raikkonen has another year at Ferrari, accompanied by rumours that this might be a tactical move before the Scuderia sign up Lewis Hamilton for 2018. Sergio Marchionne is believed to be a Hamilton fan, and tends to get what he wants, mainly because he can. Meanwhile, Jenson Button gave a very honest interview to Sky, sounding philosophical about his chances of remaining in F1, and it seems that we're likely to see the highly rated Stoffel Vandoorne alongside Fernando Alonso next year.

Not much else worthy of note has happened. We've been treated to some super slo-mo shots of cars locking the inside front tyre into Vale, and the Mercedes seem to be a second clear of everybody else. We were also treated to the sight of the heavily-bejewelled Vijay Mallya, attending his first race since the Indian authorities relieved him of his passport.

FP2 should give a more reliable form guide for the weekend, but right now nobody looks as though they can live with Mercedes and given the new Rules of Engagement (which the drivers are not allowed to divulge to the media), we could be set for a scrap for the lowest step on the podium between Red Bull and Ferrari.
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