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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by imc27
Silverstone looks resplendent with new black and white kerbing which, unlike Austria last weekend, hasn't managed to destroy anybody's suspension.
Errr, if I drive over the kerbs on every corner on the road I will feck up my suspension.Why would you think that F1 is any different?If they respected the track limits,they would not damage their suspension.
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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Heinz '57
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Silverstone looks resplendent with new black and white kerbing which, unlike Austria last weekend, hasn't managed to destroy anybody's suspension.
Errr, if I drive over the kerbs on every corner on the road I will feck up my suspension.Why would you think that F1 is any different?If they respected the track limits,they would not damage their suspension.
Any racing driver will take whatever advantage he perceives worth the risk in order to reduce his lap times. It is rare that running over kerbs has the destructive results that we saw in Austria - running over kerbs is a way of life in F1, and suddenly the drivers found out that the kerbs at that particular circuit were biting back.

After they were lectured by the FIA and their own teams, they kept away from them in the race.

The "track limits" debate will continue ad infinitum. The track is defined by the continuous white lines on either side, but drivers can get away with putting their outside wheels over the lines, and will only be adjudged to be exceeding track limits if they consistently put all four wheels over the lines - the FIA tend to pick on certain corners during a race weekend, and will warn drivers if they persist. Continue to ignore the warnings and a penalty will be issued.

Some circuits (Imola was always the prime example) require a very aggressive driving style and attacking the kerbs was the only way to unlock the difference between the front of the grid and the middle.
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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 06:41 AM
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Club racing track limits are quite heavily enforced now, and F1 was getting pretty bad for it. Takes more skill to perfectly judge a kerb limit than just totally abuse it.
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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by MB
Club racing track limits are quite heavily enforced now, and F1 was getting pretty bad for it. Takes more skill to perfectly judge a kerb limit than just totally abuse it.
I know that the RACMSA decided to get tough on kerb abuse - how do they enforce it?
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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 07:26 AM
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Track limits are easy to enforce. More Austrian Kerbs are needed.
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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by imc27
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Club racing track limits are quite heavily enforced now, and F1 was getting pretty bad for it. Takes more skill to perfectly judge a kerb limit than just totally abuse it.
I know that the RACMSA decided to get tough on kerb abuse - how do they enforce it?
MSA had a clamp down from 2104. Marshals at all the exit kerbs. They take laps off you in qualifying for any infrimgements. In the race you get 2 warnings, warning then increasing time penalties up to a stop go and black flag. A lot of people have fallen foul of it. I have zero issues with it personally.
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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 08:53 AM
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I have an issue with them making you stay of the kerbs completely at certain tracks (as it takes away an option for softer setups to kerb ride vs stiffer setups that have to avoid them) - but no issues with enforcing track limits. F1 needs a lot more of that. And needs to be a lot more consistant doing it.
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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 09:06 AM
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Line all circuits with a wall, like Monaco, and see how many drivers exceed track limits.
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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenmanS2000
Line all circuits with a wall, like Monaco, and see how many drivers exceed track limits.
I'm very glad most circuits don't have a wall. It means that track day goers like me, or amateur racers like MB can use the facilities and make mistakes (which happen a lot in my case) in safety.
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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 12:18 PM
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What is the point of having a track with bends and corners if they continue to ignore them. How many chicanes are now straight lined because "it is quicker" and "the cars are faster now". Of course they are quicker if they can ignore the track layout.Do these drivers ignore the kerbs during everyday driving?

More Austrian Kerbs I say!
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