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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by j8mie' timestamp='1311580332' post='20811835
....or start to drive down the hard shoulder
That's precisely what i was taught to do if for whatever reason i found i was unable to join a motorway.

The explanation given was that it is safer to drive along the hard shoulder for a short distance until you can merge into the traffic than stop at the end of the slip road.

From my perspective, if you the motorway is busy and if your safely moving over allows someone safely onto the motorway, why wouldn't you do it?
I agree with you here, but I a mpretty sure that if the Police saw you, you'd get done. Remember that safety isn't their primary concern, but prosecuting you is
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 05:05 AM
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....or start to drive down the hard shoulder
Motorways aren't the issue anyway, because the slip roads are long and there's always an option to use the hard shoulder. Try some of the slip roads onto the A34 or A3. About the most dangerous thing imaginable is when somebody panics and slams on the brakes at the end of the road, which causes panic braking both on the dual carrigway and on the slip road. And then once somebody has stopped, getting out into the traffic becomes 10 times more difficlt and 10 times more dangerous.

The person coming down the slip road has all the disadvatages: going slower, can't see, about to drive into a ditch if they can't find a gap. The rule really ought to be that people on the motorway or dual carrigeway should make room.
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by lovegroova
Not so, those joining the motorway are technically in a "Give Way" situation, as hinted at by the "stop in the accelerating lane" part of Roadcraft quoted above.

The trouble with internet discussion of this sort is that people try to applies rules to use in every situation when in reality, each situation should be judged accordingly.

When approaching or passing an on-ramp, I look (both ahead and in the mirror as I pass) to see if anything is on the ramp, and judge their speed relative to mine. Are they:
a) going to slot in ahead of or behind me, or
b) are they on a constant bearing requiring action on my part or their part to avoid a collision.

From that observation I can either move into Lane 2 if it's clear, or adjust my speed depending on my assessment of their probable action (most people will slow down, but some will speed up - this is usually pretty obvious).

In other words, pay attention, and act accordingly.
I kind of agre with most things there except you modifying your speed

If you anticipate what I'm doing (In a BM and therefor headed directly for lane 3 asap)and start adjusting speed,
it makes it bloody hard to judge whats goign to happen.

Personally I prefer it if the lane one guy stays at constant velocity as I merge.
Then I can more easily slot into a gap either end of them.

All this becomes chaos when behind the knob end in a Sadfira (who cant see out of the mirrors for kiddies crap)
attempts to join the busy M5 at 30mph from the Service area, whilst taking a phone call and rowing with the wife...
With a queue of five poor buggers behind him who will now end up rammed onto the hard shoulder.

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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by m1bjr
I kind of agre with most things there except you modifying your speed

If you anticipate what I'm doing (In a BM and therefor headed directly for lane 3 asap)and start adjusting speed,
it makes it bloody hard to judge whats goign to happen.

Personally I prefer it if the lane one guy stays at constant velocity as I merge.
Then I can more easily slot into a gap either end of them.

All this becomes chaos when behind the knob end in a Sadfira (who cant see out of the mirrors for kiddies crap)
attempts to join the busy M5 at 30mph from the Service area, whilst taking a phone call and rowing with the wife...
With a queue of five poor buggers behind him who will now end up rammed onto the hard shoulder.


Speed adjustments are usually reserved for the hesitant (Sadfira/Meriva etc) who will continue on a collision course until the realise you're there at the last minute and either cut across anyway, or come to the end of the slip road and stop, endangering other road users.

By taking the decision away from them by (usually) speeding up a little - no more than 3-4mph - it makes the roads safer for everyone.

For BMW drivers, I just let them barge in front and try not to choke on the clouds of black smoke emanating from their exhausts.

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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
Originally Posted by j8mie' timestamp='1311580332' post='20811835
....or start to drive down the hard shoulder
Motorways aren't the issue anyway, because the slip roads are long and there's always an option to use the hard shoulder. Try some of the slip roads onto the A34 or A3. About the most dangerous thing imaginable is when somebody panics and slams on the brakes at the end of the road, which causes panic braking both on the dual carrigway and on the slip road. And then once somebody has stopped, getting out into the traffic becomes 10 times more difficlt and 10 times more dangerous.

The person coming down the slip road has all the disadvatages: going slower, can't see, about to drive into a ditch if they can't find a gap. The rule really ought to be that people on the motorway or dual carrigeway should make room.
I can't see any logic for that.

Particularly if it's busy, when lane 1 needs to try and get in to lane 2 when everyone is 2' from the back of the car in front.

Or has to brake, causing the m'way / DC traffic to grind to a halt.

If everyone drove as considerately as all the wonderfully courteous people on here, then maybe it'd work.

But I just can see it.
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by lovegroova
For BMW drivers, I just let them barge in front and try not to choke on the clouds of black smoke emanating from their exhausts.
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Old Jul 26, 2011 | 08:50 AM
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Blimey I have said it before we S2000 drivers are the absolute gods of the driving world arent we!

How comes so many lS2000's end up in fields and scrap yards

The IAM system works, but good drivers may well have their own or indeed variations on many, is any one more valid than another. The highway code being the main UK guidance and law of the road. WHere would we be with no guidance at all, maybe trusting our luck to God. Dive defensively and assume every S2000 driver on the road is a numpty along with the old boys and Vauxhall drivers oh and anybody in a 4 x 4, and cyclists , oh and motor cyclists, oh and drivers of Korean cars erm and any one else but me of course

I followed police traffic car on the M11 a couple of weeks ago the driver one assume was fully versed in Roadcraft, he change lane on at least 3 occasions with no indication in fairly heavy morning traffic. just an anecdote to prove we all make mistakes, I know I do, but then I am not a driving god even though I drive an S
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Old Jul 26, 2011 | 01:12 PM
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I must need to brush up on my observational skills because I keep missing these armies of IAM drivers blocking access to motorways
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Old Jul 26, 2011 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CHIPPO
I followed police traffic car on the M11 a couple of weeks ago the driver one assume was fully versed in Roadcraft, he change lane on at least 3 occasions with no indication in fairly heavy morning traffic.
Skilled and savvy driver I'd say.

The c nts on the M11 don't let anyone in if they signal ffs.
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Old Jul 26, 2011 | 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by smnasn
I must need to brush up on my observational skills because I keep missing these armies of IAM drivers blocking access to motorways
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