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Old Feb 16, 2011 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by lovegroova,Feb 16 2011, 01:58 PM
In general terms, I'd put my money on a Toyota lasting a lot longer than a Landrover of any description
Do you know how many series Land Rovers there are still about? Land Rover claims that 75% of it's vehicles are still in use, whether that's true or not, Land Rovers are incredibly repairable and owners regularly keep them for long periods of time. I'd put my money on Prious' lasting about 10 years until the cost of replacement batteries outweighs the value of the car.
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Old Feb 16, 2011 | 05:05 AM
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they will be hard to cell.
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Old Feb 16, 2011 | 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MarkB,Feb 16 2011, 02:04 PM
Do you know how many series Land Rovers there are still about? Land Rover claims that 75% of it's vehicles are still in use, whether that's true or not, Land Rovers are incredibly repairable and owners regularly keep them for long periods of time. I'd put my money on Prious' lasting about 10 years until the cost of replacement batteries outweighs the value of the car.
That claim was made in 1992 - I expect it's a lot less than that now given how many Freelanders have expired

However, the number of Series Land Rovers made is pretty small in the grand scheme of things.

http://www.fourfold.org/LR_FAQ/FAQ.3.LR_production.html

From that data, they've made 1.66m cars since 1948

Wiki Tells me there have been over 2m Prius sales since 1997. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius

It would be better if things were built to last longer though.
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Old Feb 16, 2011 | 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by lovegroova,Feb 16 2011, 02:22 PM
It would be better if things were built to last longer though.
Gordon Murray's ethos with the T.25 and T.27. One variant of course is electric, but what does he know...

The repair and refurbish case is so much stronger with an electric car than one with an ICE; an electric vehicle emits no pollutant or CO2 per se - it is always powered by the prevailing technology used to generate electricity.
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Old Feb 16, 2011 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Polemicist,Feb 16 2011, 02:45 PM
Gordon Murray's ethos with the T.25 and T.27. One variant of course is electric, but what does he know...

The repair and refurbish case is so much stronger with an electric car than one with an ICE; an electric vehicle emits no pollutant or CO2 per se - it is always powered by the prevailing technology used to generate electricity.
So, theoretically, you could put better batteries in an old car should the technology improve?
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Old Feb 16, 2011 | 05:52 AM
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batteries and electric motors are so inefficient though.

so many losses.

i wonder what the real co2 output is compared to an efficient pertrol/diesel engine vs charging an electric car ???


an electric car is the ultimate nimby wagon.
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Old Feb 16, 2011 | 08:19 AM
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Milk floats and Modecs are good examples of avoiding built-in obsolescence, which I tend to be keen to do. They are designed to be overhauled for years.

But car owners tend to be a flighty lot & like FREDs, perfectly good (ie very average ones) get disposed of 'cause the casing's got a scratch & the battery's knackered.

BTW, is a didilo a Romany sex toy?
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Old Feb 16, 2011 | 08:29 AM
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my big fat gypsy willy.
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Old Mar 10, 2011 | 06:28 AM
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Peugeot iOn version of the M-iEV is now on 'sale':

http://www.peugeot.co.uk/vehicles/pe...e/peugeot-ion/

A wallet-friendly £415.00 plus VAT per month on contract hire...
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Old Mar 10, 2011 | 11:53 PM
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£415/month over 4 years is £20k, without the dreaded vat.
too expensive.

i guess thats what you get with low quantity produced vehicles, but for the sake of a laptop with wheels, i cant help but think it's a tad overpriced. £14k might be worth it. end of the day the car is the size of a £8k petrol car, why make it more than double the price!

the governement/energy companies seems to be subsidising anything 'green'. so far we've got a free power meter, free bulbs, decent discounts on various insulation, and we got a decent wedge moving from storage heaters to central heating. why cant they do the same for electric cars?
i did a bit of maths the other day (well done me!). S2000 for work commute i'm peaking around 140miles/tank it's even a slow boring drive. electric is tempting but i just cant help but seeing it as overpriced.
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