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Originally Posted by reg,Oct 31 2006, 12:04 PM
No offence but most lawyers are immoral

If the Police can't get their ducks in a row and meet the evidential burden on them, that's their problem - despite this government's best efforts, an individual is still innocent until proven guilty. If evidence to substantiate a charge is deemed inadmissible, or the prosecution has not complied with its procedural obligations, the charge should rightly be dismissed.
Any solicitor who did not take advantage of that kind of procedural irregularity would be failing to be acting in their client's best interests and, at least in theory, open to a negligence claim.
Originally Posted by Lurking Lawyer,Oct 31 2006, 12:33 PM
Any solicitor who did not take advantage of that kind of procedural irregularity would be failing to be acting in their client's best interests and, at least in theory, open to a negligence claim.
People are always very quick to judge when it comes to this kind of thing, but if it was you facing the loss of your licence and an 'immoral' barrister suggested you might be spared the loss if he acted on your behalf and exploited a situation he knew would get you off - what would you do?
Originally Posted by Lurking Lawyer,Oct 31 2006, 04:33 AM
None taken - nothing like a good generalisation, is there? 

Originally Posted by reg,Oct 31 2006, 01:03 PM
For the lawyer representing the party in the 'wrong' this by definition is immoral no?
1. Even someone who is guilty as sin is entitled to a defence.
2. A lawyer cannot represent someone whom he KNOWS (as in, the client has admitted it) is guilty. It his instructions are to enter a not guilty plea when he knows that the proper plea should be guilty on the basis of the client having told him that he did it, he should recuse himself and refuse to accept further instructions.
(Of course, the obvious answer to that is just not ask the question in th first place if you don't want to hear something that makes you have to drop the case.....)
3. You don't even get as far as considering whether someone is guilty or not guilty of an offence if the prosecution fails to jump through the relevant procedural hoops and adduce evidence sufficient to prove its case.
I understand your point of view, even if I don't accept it. What I particularly don't agree with is your use of the word "immoral".
(FWIW, I'm a commercial lawyer so don't have to wrestle with this kind of question.)
Originally Posted by Lurking Lawyer,Oct 31 2006, 05:15 AM
No!
1. Even someone who is guilty as sin is entitled to a defence.
2. A lawyer cannot represent someone whom he KNOWS (as in, the client has admitted it) is guilty. It his instructions are to enter a not guilty plea when he knows that the proper plea should be guilty on the basis of the client having told him that he did it, he should recuse himself and refuse to accept further instructions.
(Of course, the obvious answer to that is just not ask the question in th first place if you don't want to hear something that makes you have to drop the case.....)
3. You don't even get as far as considering whether someone is guilty or not guilty of an offence if the prosecution fails to jump through the relevant procedural hoops and adduce evidence sufficient to prove its case.
I understand your point of view, even if I don't accept it. What I particularly don't agree with is your use of the word "immoral".
(FWIW, I'm a commercial lawyer so don't have to wrestle with this kind of question.)
1. Even someone who is guilty as sin is entitled to a defence.
2. A lawyer cannot represent someone whom he KNOWS (as in, the client has admitted it) is guilty. It his instructions are to enter a not guilty plea when he knows that the proper plea should be guilty on the basis of the client having told him that he did it, he should recuse himself and refuse to accept further instructions.
(Of course, the obvious answer to that is just not ask the question in th first place if you don't want to hear something that makes you have to drop the case.....)
3. You don't even get as far as considering whether someone is guilty or not guilty of an offence if the prosecution fails to jump through the relevant procedural hoops and adduce evidence sufficient to prove its case.
I understand your point of view, even if I don't accept it. What I particularly don't agree with is your use of the word "immoral".
(FWIW, I'm a commercial lawyer so don't have to wrestle with this kind of question.)
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