RWD is for losers
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Originally Posted by MB,Sep 10 2009, 10:07 PM
A veggie?! I wasn't aware
I used my FWD FTO on a couple of trackdays and at The Ring, and I'd say if anything it was more difficult to drive fast because if you didn't get the entry right you'd be stuck with loads of understeer on the exit without being able to do much about it. Whereas on RWD you can always use the power to make the rear slide.
But then the FTO isn't as good as the like of the Integra, or even my Primera.
"On rails" really doesn't appeal to me, I admit.
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IME of testing, quite often the 'seat of the pants' test fails the timing test. That is, the laps I think I'm flying end up being slower than ones where I feel I'm not so good.
I've always put that down to being inside and outside my comfort zone, when I'm really on it I'm a little bit scared as I suppose I'm closer to coming a cropper, I'm also working a lot harder.
Only live timing gives you the chance to do a direct comparison, the pit board doesn't lie (unless RichUK is holding it, then he deliberately puts slower times to make you drive faster ) and it's surprising the difference I see being in and out of my comfort zones.
So for me at least, on a trackday the slower laps are more enjoyable as I'm well inside my comfort zone (as you should be on a trackday). I seldom get flustered and rarely get anywhere near being really 'on it' (there really is no point, trackdays are proof of nothing, nor should they be).
But nothing beats the thrills of racing, doesn't matter which wheels are driven or what the car is.
I've always put that down to being inside and outside my comfort zone, when I'm really on it I'm a little bit scared as I suppose I'm closer to coming a cropper, I'm also working a lot harder.
Only live timing gives you the chance to do a direct comparison, the pit board doesn't lie (unless RichUK is holding it, then he deliberately puts slower times to make you drive faster ) and it's surprising the difference I see being in and out of my comfort zones.
So for me at least, on a trackday the slower laps are more enjoyable as I'm well inside my comfort zone (as you should be on a trackday). I seldom get flustered and rarely get anywhere near being really 'on it' (there really is no point, trackdays are proof of nothing, nor should they be).
But nothing beats the thrills of racing, doesn't matter which wheels are driven or what the car is.
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Originally Posted by MarkB,Sep 11 2009, 08:07 AM
But nothing beats the thrills of racing, doesn't matter which wheels are driven or what the car is.
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Originally Posted by Moggy,Sep 10 2009, 08:29 PM
Which never went near a track?
Pointless?
Pointless?
First of all, I rebuilt it from the ground up and learned loads
Second, it was a blast driving it
Third, I only had it for 4 months completed and it was just time to get rid after I ended up enjoying driving round in the GF's MR2 Roadster with the roof down
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Originally Posted by lovegroova,Sep 10 2009, 02:07 PM
Interesting comments.
Having passengered with Steve (m1bjr) around Spa in his R26 (not the R) I can say that it was fast (faster than me in my S2000), comfortable but not really all that exciting.
Exciting was when he was passenger with me, and I had the rear of the car sliding as I got onto the Astroturf half way round Pouhon, accompanied by an "oh faaaarrrrkk"
Of course, passengering is always more tame than driving, especially when the driver is decent, but I thought I'd offer a little perspective.
MB's Exige was a lot more fun than the R26 from a passenger perspective, although they were roughly comparable in terms of speeds as far as I could tell from various speedo observations at certain points on the circuit.
HTH
Having passengered with Steve (m1bjr) around Spa in his R26 (not the R) I can say that it was fast (faster than me in my S2000), comfortable but not really all that exciting.
Exciting was when he was passenger with me, and I had the rear of the car sliding as I got onto the Astroturf half way round Pouhon, accompanied by an "oh faaaarrrrkk"
Of course, passengering is always more tame than driving, especially when the driver is decent, but I thought I'd offer a little perspective.
MB's Exige was a lot more fun than the R26 from a passenger perspective, although they were roughly comparable in terms of speeds as far as I could tell from various speedo observations at certain points on the circuit.
HTH
The Megane was massively competent - you could arrive at any corner at pretty much any speed, even if you were in the wrong gear, and it just went round like it was on rails. It made me feel like a driving god at first, but after a while it just got boring and it's not unreasonable to assume that the R version is even more proficient. Pretty much every other car I've owned or driven demands more of my attention, particularly the S, so even though I can't drive it as quickly as the Renault, I have a lot more fun.
Ultimately though, comparing an R26.R to an S2000 is pointless. The Megane is the ultimate evolution of a hot hatch for track use, whereas the S2000 is a late 90's roadster which, if anything, has been watered down over the years to appeal to a wider market, rather than made more hardcore for track enthusiasts.
In my humble opinion, if you want to beat people round a track, you'll need to spend a hell of a lot of money to beat the Megane, but if, like me, you love driving for the sheer bloody hell of it, the S is a gem, so to get back to the OP's point, FWD may well have caught or overtaken RWD for outright pace in compact and reasonably priced cars, but RWD is still a whole heap of fun.
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