Toyota do it again
04-17-2014, 11:22 AM
#51
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Yeah it's a pretty much needed to convince them. Unless there's a fault code or some other form of proof.
Any pattern you can spot on it? Only when engine is cold/hot. When air on kicks in. Anything?
Any pattern you can spot on it? Only when engine is cold/hot. When air on kicks in. Anything?
04-17-2014, 11:55 AM
#52
There is no fault code , as I still suspect an intermittent fault with either the clutch linear position sensor or another sensor or both which will not show up on diagnostics. I have asked them to change this sensor which retails at £60 , so the cost in parts to Audi is zip, the problem is it's buried and officially it's 5 hours labour Audi has to pay the dealer to change it!
But Audi are totally beholden to diagnostics it seems , and will accept no other method as a means of finding a problem which is ludicrous as I know from the lift industry , diagnostics are limited and should only be considered as part of the tool kit, not replacing it.
But Audi are totally beholden to diagnostics it seems , and will accept no other method as a means of finding a problem which is ludicrous as I know from the lift industry , diagnostics are limited and should only be considered as part of the tool kit, not replacing it.
04-18-2014, 03:57 AM
#54
There is no fault code , as I still suspect an intermittent fault with either the clutch linear position sensor or another sensor or both which will not show up on diagnostics. I have asked them to change this sensor which retails at £60 , so the cost in parts to Audi is zip, the problem is it's buried and officially it's 5 hours labour Audi has to pay the dealer to change it!
But Audi are totally beholden to diagnostics it seems , and will accept no other method as a means of finding a problem which is ludicrous as I know from the lift industry , diagnostics are limited and should only be considered as part of the tool kit, not replacing it.
But Audi are totally beholden to diagnostics it seems , and will accept no other method as a means of finding a problem which is ludicrous as I know from the lift industry , diagnostics are limited and should only be considered as part of the tool kit, not replacing it.
IF that fixes the fault, you can then point out to Audi what a UBofC they all are & get them to replace the clutch switch.
Or tell the CEO to by about 25 tubes of KY jelly...
04-19-2014, 11:07 PM
#56
Nick , haven't considered that idea, but It might be tricky to achieve , to change the pot is a 5 hour job according to Audi so it must be buried , a tech confirmed this is the case
I assume there is wiring coming from its location and I would need info about this.
The logic doese t quite stack up in my head not sure what I would prove if I did it . And now having had experience of Audi I have a sneaking suspicion that they would then void the warranty as a result of my unauthorised tampering.
Some else said about getting one of these cheap recording cameras and sticking it in the car , as when the car cranks and fails to start it will look like one of those videos from a office block during an earthquake! I might e mail them and ask if they will accept that as evidence , and if so pick up the cost of the camera !
I assume there is wiring coming from its location and I would need info about this.
The logic doese t quite stack up in my head not sure what I would prove if I did it . And now having had experience of Audi I have a sneaking suspicion that they would then void the warranty as a result of my unauthorised tampering.
Some else said about getting one of these cheap recording cameras and sticking it in the car , as when the car cranks and fails to start it will look like one of those videos from a office block during an earthquake! I might e mail them and ask if they will accept that as evidence , and if so pick up the cost of the camera !
04-19-2014, 11:48 PM
#57
Nick , haven't considered that idea, but It might be tricky to achieve , to change the pot is a 5 hour job according to Audi so it must be buried , a tech confirmed this is the case
I assume there is wiring coming from its location and I would need info about this.
The logic doese t quite stack up in my head not sure what I would prove if I did it . And now having had experience of Audi I have a sneaking suspicion that they would then void the warranty as a result of my unauthorised tampering.
Some else said about getting one of these cheap recording cameras and sticking it in the car , as when the car cranks and fails to start it will look like one of those videos from a office block during an earthquake! I might e mail them and ask if they will accept that as evidence , and if so pick up the cost of the camera !
I assume there is wiring coming from its location and I would need info about this.
The logic doese t quite stack up in my head not sure what I would prove if I did it . And now having had experience of Audi I have a sneaking suspicion that they would then void the warranty as a result of my unauthorised tampering.
Some else said about getting one of these cheap recording cameras and sticking it in the car , as when the car cranks and fails to start it will look like one of those videos from a office block during an earthquake! I might e mail them and ask if they will accept that as evidence , and if so pick up the cost of the camera !
04-21-2014, 01:23 AM
#58
Good idea Dave, will give them a prod with that tomorrow .
This is one of things I can,t work out , the diagnostic which they rely on doese,t seem to store any event information , you really would have thought it would show " Engine cranking , failed to start and run " but no apparently not .
This is one of things I can,t work out , the diagnostic which they rely on doese,t seem to store any event information , you really would have thought it would show " Engine cranking , failed to start and run " but no apparently not .
04-22-2014, 04:50 AM
#59
Nick , haven't considered that idea, but It might be tricky to achieve , to change the pot is a 5 hour job according to Audi so it must be buried , a tech confirmed this is the case
I assume there is wiring coming from its location and I would need info about this.
The logic doese t quite stack up in my head not sure what I would prove if I did it . And now having had experience of Audi I have a sneaking suspicion that they would then void the warranty as a result of my unauthorised tampering.
Some else said about getting one of these cheap recording cameras and sticking it in the car , as when the car cranks and fails to start it will look like one of those videos from a office block during an earthquake! I might e mail them and ask if they will accept that as evidence , and if so pick up the cost of the camera !
I assume there is wiring coming from its location and I would need info about this.
The logic doese t quite stack up in my head not sure what I would prove if I did it . And now having had experience of Audi I have a sneaking suspicion that they would then void the warranty as a result of my unauthorised tampering.
Some else said about getting one of these cheap recording cameras and sticking it in the car , as when the car cranks and fails to start it will look like one of those videos from a office block during an earthquake! I might e mail them and ask if they will accept that as evidence , and if so pick up the cost of the camera !
If it's a ridiculous one on the tranny, forget it. All that overcrowding, an inline plus DW suspension will make it inaccessible. I know someone who bought a Renault 18 for £50 because a clutch change had written it off...
04-22-2014, 11:34 AM
#60
Nick , as far as I can make out Audi are using a linear potentiometer to measure the position of the clutch peddle .
It serves two functions
1) for initial engine start it sends information to the ecu to allow engine start via key, clutch fully depressed and disengaged 2). Measures the initial movement of the clutch peddle , and as the peddle goes down engine starts and is ready to move car as the clutch disengages and a gear selected .
I have checked this operation and tried to deceive the system in every way to no effect, it works fine I can't trick it . This is the bit Audi techs seem to not understand , it's in the handbook !
The Honda system works in a similar way on our Jazz , don't know what they use as a clutch peddle sensor .
It serves two functions
1) for initial engine start it sends information to the ecu to allow engine start via key, clutch fully depressed and disengaged 2). Measures the initial movement of the clutch peddle , and as the peddle goes down engine starts and is ready to move car as the clutch disengages and a gear selected .
I have checked this operation and tried to deceive the system in every way to no effect, it works fine I can't trick it . This is the bit Audi techs seem to not understand , it's in the handbook !
The Honda system works in a similar way on our Jazz , don't know what they use as a clutch peddle sensor .