When is an //M not an //M?
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I was talking about the new //M cars having 'performance' diesels in them. It's just not right for an //M car to be a diesel. Ever.
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Agree really... they should just be dubbed "Sport" due to the better looking bodykit, interior and handling (to a degree)
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Can't agree re. diesel though (any more) - something good enough to win Le Mans not good enough for this range?
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Originally Posted by gbduo' timestamp='1329907434' post='21438415
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When you buy a //M diesel as well...
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When you buy a //M diesel as well...
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Loving the Clownage
Can't agree re. diesel though (any more) - something good enough to win Le Mans not good enough for this range?
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No.
Diesels are boring, characterless and driven by necessity to have a diesel. Not something an //M should aspire to. The BMW diesels are very good, but they are not as good as a petrol giving it large at 7k rpm...
The power band is just too narrow on a diesel, still.
Well that is my thinking anyway. Still as a DD I can see why you would want one, but an //M car is meant to be an all out hell for leather practical car. And with a diesel, its just a little too practical...
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Originally Posted by Hedropsforglory' timestamp='1329914954' post='21438553
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[quote name='s2k4tony' timestamp='1329864950' post='21436946']
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When you buy a //M diesel as well...
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[quote name='gbduo' timestamp='1329726650' post='21431012']
When you buy a //M diesel as well...
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Loving the Clownage
Can't agree re. diesel though (any more) - something good enough to win Le Mans not good enough for this range?
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No.
Diesels are boring, characterless and driven by necessity to have a diesel. Not something an //M should aspire to. The BMW diesels are very good, but they are not as good as a petrol giving it large at 7k rpm...
The power band is just too narrow on a diesel, still.
Well that is my thinking anyway. Still as a DD I can see why you would want one, but an //M car is meant to be an all out hell for leather practical car. And with a diesel, its just a little too practical...
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Notice that as an all-round package, the 530d Sport comes up trumps with some of the media....
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Just an angle from one insurance broker. I could remap to 230hp and 400lbft but I agree. Its not what the diesel is about, its about being comfortably driven along, with a bit of narrow poke and mid range rocket burst. And ultimatley, economical enough to run. Had mine 3 years, its the best car i've ever owned and look superb. But I am getting old
Real M cars are the M3, M5 or M6
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M theory is the unknown eleven-dimensional theory whose low energy limit is the supergravity theory in eleven dimensions. However, many people have taken to also using M theory to label the unknown theory believed to be the fundamental theory from which the known superstring theories emerge as special limits.
We still don't know the fundamental M theory, but a lot has been learned about the eleven-dimensional M theory and how it relates to superstrings in ten spacetime dimensions.
Recall that one of the p-brane spacetimes that are stabilized by supersymmetry is a two-brane in eleven spacetime dimensions. This object is called the M2 brane for short.
Erqo, only a p-brane would badging a car up as an //M when it isn't actually an //M.
QED.
We still don't know the fundamental M theory, but a lot has been learned about the eleven-dimensional M theory and how it relates to superstrings in ten spacetime dimensions.
Recall that one of the p-brane spacetimes that are stabilized by supersymmetry is a two-brane in eleven spacetime dimensions. This object is called the M2 brane for short.
Erqo, only a p-brane would badging a car up as an //M when it isn't actually an //M.
QED.
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No.
Diesels are boring, characterless and driven by necessity to have a diesel. Not something an //M should aspire to. The BMW diesels are very good, but they are not as good as a petrol giving it large at 7k rpm...
The power band is just too narrow on a diesel, still.
Well that is my thinking anyway. Still as a DD I can see why you would want one, but an //M car is meant to be an all out hell for leather practical car. And with a diesel, its just a little too practical...
Diesels are boring, characterless and driven by necessity to have a diesel. Not something an //M should aspire to. The BMW diesels are very good, but they are not as good as a petrol giving it large at 7k rpm...
The power band is just too narrow on a diesel, still.
Well that is my thinking anyway. Still as a DD I can see why you would want one, but an //M car is meant to be an all out hell for leather practical car. And with a diesel, its just a little too practical...
Most diesels certainly are boring, and characterless. And until recently all diesels were so. I certainly agree with your assessment of what an //M car is meant to be but I note that many petrol engines don't remotely meet that standard and I absolutely do make allowance for the possibility of diesel technology having moved on, via winning Le Mans, to the extent that a diesel could now meet that standard.
No idea if these do mind, I just wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.
I doubt any of us can conceive of an electric or hybrid that could ever meet that standard based in the ghastliness of what's available now - but one day, they will as well. Much as a large part of me firmly hopes that it won't be in my lifetime..