Bush Steps in to aid in Hurricane Katrina.
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly,Aug 31 2005, 03:09 PM
Not really. Of course I don't live there.
The reality is that everyone had at least 12 hours notice to GTFO, most people had more. The path prediction as of Friday indicated landfall in Lousiana/Miss/Alabama area. Everyone that lives within 5 miles of the ocean knows (or should know) they're in a danger zone from any tropical storm that gets into the Gulf. The destruction is great, but really - how smart is it putting a million people in a city that's mostly below sea level?
The reality is that everyone had at least 12 hours notice to GTFO, most people had more. The path prediction as of Friday indicated landfall in Lousiana/Miss/Alabama area. Everyone that lives within 5 miles of the ocean knows (or should know) they're in a danger zone from any tropical storm that gets into the Gulf. The destruction is great, but really - how smart is it putting a million people in a city that's mostly below sea level?
Basically my point is, this isnt something these people couldve prevented. They couldnt leave. But that doesnt mean that they shouldnt be helped ASAP.
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Originally Posted by s2000qtee,Sep 2 2005, 10:53 AM
I just read this, and realized that this has a tinge of ignorance in it. Not everyone has a s2000 to cruise them right out of harm's way. Most of the people who stood didnt have any way of getting to safety, since they had no cars. They had no other choice but to stay. And as for people living there, while it is below sea level, well, New Orleans isnt known for being below sea level. It is known for being a great city full of vibrance and energy and those people live there because it is their home. For example, I live in NYC. Before 9/11 and after. We are considered a danger zone. But do you think Im leaving anytime soon? Hell no.
Basically my point is, this isnt something these people couldve prevented. They couldnt leave. But that doesnt mean that they shouldnt be helped ASAP.
Basically my point is, this isnt something these people couldve prevented. They couldnt leave. But that doesnt mean that they shouldnt be helped ASAP.
They CHOSE not to leave.
New Orleans has a very extensive public transportation system (not as much as NYC) but still very good. Those residents just didn't take advantage of what was being offered to them.
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Originally Posted by mikes2k,Sep 1 2005, 09:40 PM
I just cant figure out why we should give him through the weekend? 
He acted immediately when Terri was dying.. this is THOUSANDS of people we are talking about. Granted they might not all be right wing religious types.... if we are to believe what the Mayor and others are saying..that FEMA is nowhere to be found? 
if this is true it is INEXCUSABLE! 
He acted immediately when Terri was dying.. this is THOUSANDS of people we are talking about. Granted they might not all be right wing religious types.... if we are to believe what the Mayor and others are saying..that FEMA is nowhere to be found? if this is true it is INEXCUSABLE! When 9/11 happened, my dad was a manager of a hotel across the street. We couldnt reach him for 9 hours, until he showed up at my house covered in soot from the fallen buildings. Afterward, his hotel was used as police headquarters for 7 months after. FEMA WAS THERE......I had never even heard of FEMA until 2 representatives came to our house to make sure we were all okay and for my dad to fill out forms so he could get aid from them since, his hotel was closed until further notice (ended up being 1 year) .
To think that they made time to visit even the luckier of the families effected by 9/11 showed that they know what they are doing. But, without federal help, they arent enough .
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Originally Posted by zdave87,Sep 2 2005, 10:58 AM
Free transportation was offered to the residents to take them to various shelters in & around the city.
They CHOSE not to leave.
New Orleans has a very extensive public transportation system (not as much as NYC) but still very good. Those residents just didn't take advantage of what was being offered to them.
They CHOSE not to leave.
New Orleans has a very extensive public transportation system (not as much as NYC) but still very good. Those residents just didn't take advantage of what was being offered to them.
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Originally Posted by s2000qtee,Sep 2 2005, 11:03 AM
Do you really believe in 12 hours they couldve evacuated over 30,000 people, if not more?
New Orleans & the surrounding area, I believe, has a population of great than 750K and the vast number of them were out of there before the hurricane hit. Yes-alot of them had their own transportation but there were large numbers that used the public transportation to get to shelter points.
The ones that stayed in their houses CHOSE to stay.
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I agree Sophia, it couldn't be prevented.
However, I disagree that the people (at least the majority) couldn't leave. Where there's a will, there's a way. If you had solid evidence that NYC was going to be hit by a hurricane Monday (more than 3 full days notice), do you think you could get out even though you lack a car? Do you think you could find a way to help a relative who was sick and less mobile to get out before Monday? I think so. Humans are smart and resourceful when their backs are against the wall. Many of the people who were "forced" to stay really choose to stay.
As for NO, yes it's a vibrant energetic city, but like the Netherlands many residents take pride in that their city is below sea level, and that the intricate network of levees and pumps will keep them safe. Sadly, for many thousands, they turned out wrong.
However, I disagree that the people (at least the majority) couldn't leave. Where there's a will, there's a way. If you had solid evidence that NYC was going to be hit by a hurricane Monday (more than 3 full days notice), do you think you could get out even though you lack a car? Do you think you could find a way to help a relative who was sick and less mobile to get out before Monday? I think so. Humans are smart and resourceful when their backs are against the wall. Many of the people who were "forced" to stay really choose to stay.
As for NO, yes it's a vibrant energetic city, but like the Netherlands many residents take pride in that their city is below sea level, and that the intricate network of levees and pumps will keep them safe. Sadly, for many thousands, they turned out wrong.