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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NikePenguin,Sep 26 2005, 09:02 PM
Corporate officer compensation is a big topic of contention. However, shareholders continue to value those services at those levels. It's a market price.
That doesn't work too well for "closely" held stocks.

And it's way out of whack here in the states, compared to the rest of the world.
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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by NikePenguin,Sep 26 2005, 09:04 PM
The market place seems to think so.
What about your judgement? Is it possible that the market has missed something?
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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly,Sep 26 2005, 08:41 PM
At what expense? She was a failure and got a $21 million severance. What market benefit did she provide to merit that type of pay?

Of course the concept of a severance is complete fuvking bullshit. You're incompetent, you deserve to be working as a fluffer, not a CEO.


At HP and Compaq'a shareholders expense. They voted on the merger and took the risk. They were wrong and paid the price. It's their company, non-shareholders can't tell them what to do.
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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jasonw,Sep 26 2005, 09:04 PM
That doesn't work too well for "closely" held stocks.

And it's way out of whack here in the states, compared to the rest of the world.
What do you mean by "closely held stocks"?

Private companies still have owners.

VC funded companies have to answer to the VC investors.
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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jasonw,Sep 26 2005, 09:05 PM
What about your judgement? Is it possible that the market has missed something?
Personally, I do not watch TV shows starring Paris Hilton. If it were up to me, her only income would be from daddy.

Celebrities have the power of leverage. All those millions of people that watch her tell the networks to pay her so that they can. Advertisers want exposure and will pay for ads during her show. Like it or not, the networks and advertisers value her. Consumers/viewers value the enjoyment they receive from watching her show.
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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by NikePenguin,Sep 26 2005, 09:12 PM
What do you mean by "closely held stocks"?

Private companies still have owners.

VC funded companies have to answer to the VC investors.
Closely held is when the executives(or insiders) own a large chunk of the company(IE: more than 50%). They can vote themselves all the bonuses, stock options, stock grants they want. The mutual funds and everyday share-holders don't have enough of a vote.
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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NikePenguin,Sep 26 2005, 09:19 PM
Like it or not, the networks and advertisers value her. Consumers/viewers value the enjoyment they receive from watching her show.
You originally said the level of income proves the benefit to society. That is different from how much customers value the service being provided.

We basically have a system of socialism for those at the top and capitalism for those at the bottom. When who you know matters more than what you know, society is dumbed down.
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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jasonw,Sep 26 2005, 09:42 PM
Closely held is when the executives(or insiders) own a large chunk of the company(IE: more than 50%). They can vote themselves all the bonuses, stock options, stock grants they want. The mutual funds and everyday share-holders don't have enough of a vote.
If you owned a business, you could pay yourself whatever you wanted.
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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly,Sep 26 2005, 09:29 AM
Josh is the biggest penis
hmmm...
he's a mod you know!
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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by NikePenguin,Sep 26 2005, 10:00 PM
If you owned a business, you could pay yourself whatever you wanted.
Yes. They don't actually own the business though. They may own a controlling share(or form a controlling block). And the rest of the stock holders have no say in what their income should be. That's why I was saying it's not determined by what value they add to society.
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