So the conclusion is

ASM does not make parts in-house

ASM is nothing but Autobacs branch (used to known for second hand parts) so bsically they are not a parts manufacturer.

ASM header = by TODA
ASM GT series bars = by Succeed Sports

ASM basucally ask those race factories and manufacturers to make ASM spec parts.

 

True, ASM technically does not make parts in-house. They don't own their personal factory where they make everything from FRP and titanium parts. There are very few companies like that. They deal with other manufacturers/garages to make specific parts to ASM specs.

ASM is more than just an Autobacs branch. Yes, the name comes from second hand parts, but you need to know the history of the president of ASM to understand why that is.

ASM header is not TODA. It is based off of TODA, but they found it to be too weak and it was cracking during their races, so they made their own. On top of that, the header actually has better ground clearance. ASM wanted to make a race quality header that is usable on the street and wont get damaged easily.

True, GT Series bars are made by Succeed Sports. Succeed sports specializes in race crafts, and they are known for their very high quality. BUT, you can't just go ask Succeed Sports for an ASM strut bar. It is an original design for ASM specifically.

Basically, the ASM project started just like many people so with a daily driven vehicle. The founder loved his S2000, and he loved driving it. So he went out and bought many parts off the shelf, just like anyone of us would. Soon he realized that his expectation of these parts were to high, so he sought to make his own parts that would meet his strict expectations. Simply, he wanted the best. He talked to other manufacturers into making these parts for his personal vehicle, and for his fellow S2000 owners that he knew. And eventually, huge demand for his products came about since they all knew he was very picky about his parts. Other S2000 owners knew that the parts they get from ASM ACTUALLY work!!

ASM now also goes by the name I.S. Design, just so that the whole second-hard market question doesnt come up again.

 

Would you be willing to provide some hard evidence as to which parts actually do work? Their strut bars and reinforcement bars are useless bling and the header which was dyno'd from a members car on this site gaines 1 whp. Work it did but barely work at that.

 

i'd like to see you prove that their strut tower and reinforcement bars don't work.

if strut bars work for other cars, why wouldn't it work for our car? i've heard people say, "theres already a bar for reinforcement under the hood", but guess what, it does not do the same job as a strut bar would because its not in the same place, and it is not even connected to the suspension. strut bars go directly on top of the springs and shocks, and connect the two sides of the suspension together at the top. when you turn the car, the weight shifts through the bar.

i'm pretty sick and tired of people saying strut bars, and reinforcement bars don't work. They do their job, and yes they do work.

Many people call ASM "bling", but a statement like that sounds like thats all it is, which is absolutely false. ASM makes high quality stuff that looks good and was designed to work. not all strut bars work the same, and ASM's designs are different from others.

as for their header, maybe the ecu wasn't reset, and maybe you didn't give the ecu time to re-learn and adjust with the new header setup. i don't know.

i do know that you don't break track records with a stock setup. you need reinforcements, strut bars, suspension upgrades, and ect which asm has made and tested. their stuff is track proven.

 

haha...you make it sound like a bad thing.

ASM outsources their suspension from Sachs. Sachs also provides suspension for Porsche as well. The ASM multivision meter is rebadged and slightly altered from the Mugen prototype race unit. Mugen outsources their suspension from Showa. Spoon outsources their brakes from Nissin. Honda outsources suspension/brakes for a stock S2000 also from Showa and Nissin. Toda's ITBs are derived from the Toyota Corolla. Honda sources their gearbox from Aisin who also makes gearboxes for the Mazda Miata. Mazda outsourced the turbo for their Protege to Callaway who makes crazy mods for Corvette.

If the specs are sound and the parts work, who cares?

 

^"take one down and pass it around..." oops, sorry wrong game.
I agree with MedicalStudent on this one. I would rather have a company outsource a product from someone, than to blindly build something that's not necessarily there forte.

Chris

 

nice post guys, great info and yes, outsourcing rules

 

trivium, you have absolutely no proof for your post, like so many of your previous posts on this site. As CwestinAP1 said, you have no proof of your statements and make ridiculous statements -- that ASM dyno was done incorrectly (as other people have said about it before), and I have seen the ASM header make really nice gains on multiple dynos, a lot of S2000s in Japan run it because it has been proven over there.

And I'm glad we finally got this catch can thing cleared up, the ASM one is completely different from the Cusco one, the original pic posted was wrong.