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Old May 5, 2005 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by HunterEz,May 5 2005, 01:18 PM
Mike, I'd like to get your opinion on Okuyama's design here:


I know the crossmember bar is pointing the other way, but how does that look to you? Granted, there are I can't find pictures of how the rear diagonals are attached. Whats the difference in structural integrity if say, the diagonal is under the main hoop instead of the rear facing diagonals?
Actually, I'm very reluctant to give you such an opinion. That's kind of like asking a doctor to diagnose your illness based on an email. It wouldn't be responsible. There's no way that diagram shows enough detail. Sorry.

In general, you have to consider where the loads are being applied, where they are being resisted, and how they are carried from the one to the other. Also you have to ask what would happen if something failed. Is there any redundancy? Anything that might be a single-point failure should be made so strong that it will not fail as long as the accident is otherwise survivable.
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Old May 8, 2005 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by VeilsideAP1,May 5 2005, 12:59 PM
as long as when I need it it works, then it's not just bling... I can't run SCCA, but hey, I'm fine with that...
Imagine this...

You are in an accident where your car does not roll over but the accident/crash is violent enough that your mellon smashes upside the metal bars in your "protective roll cage". You have just turned an accident that you probably walk away from into a serious head injury and quite possibly your death. Roll cages are not meant for street cars.
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Old May 9, 2005 | 11:59 AM
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that's why you need a helmet if you have a rollcage (except for 4-point rollbar behind seats only).
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Old May 9, 2005 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GChambers,May 9 2005, 12:55 AM
Imagine this...

You are in an accident where your car does not roll over but the accident/crash is violent enough that your mellon smashes upside the metal bars in your "protective roll cage". You have just turned an accident that you probably walk away from into a serious head injury and quite possibly your death. Roll cages are not meant for street cars.
Well, I must thank you for that grim visualization, but this is not the case with my car... 5 point behind the spoon seats with 4 pt harnesses... my head moves nowhere... I do think full race cages are overkill on street cars though, I will most definately not try to deprive your post of it's inherant validity...
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Old May 9, 2005 | 05:35 PM
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i heard that you have to remove the soft top to install one of these roll bars, is that correct?
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Old May 9, 2005 | 07:10 PM
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um, which? I didn't lose my softtop...
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Old May 9, 2005 | 09:36 PM
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i appologize. i meant to ask does the top need to be removed to install the bar and then put back in or can you do it some other way to avoid this step?
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Old May 10, 2005 | 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Wongawa,May 10 2005, 01:36 AM
i appologize. i meant to ask does the top need to be removed to install the bar and then put back in or can you do it some other way to avoid this step?
all you need to remove is the rear tray under the soft top...
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Old May 10, 2005 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by GChambers,May 9 2005, 12:55 AM
Imagine this...

You are in an accident where your car does not roll over but the accident/crash is violent enough that your mellon smashes upside the metal bars in your "protective roll cage". You have just turned an accident that you probably walk away from into a serious head injury and quite possibly your death. Roll cages are not meant for street cars.
when i had my 6pt cage with brides and takatas's my head came nowhere near the bars ever. if you adjust the belts the way they should be very tight all the time, your body is not going to move which will keep you away from the bars. i am 6'0 and never came close. you have to remember if you are using oem belts then yes, because when you get into an accident the belts give a little before tensioning on you. but harnesses don't give at all.
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Old May 10, 2005 | 10:05 AM
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maybe we should rephrase then... Using a cage without harnesses is stupid...
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