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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FF2Skip,Nov 18 2009, 05:05 PM
Quoted for a good laugh.
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by az3ar,Nov 18 2009, 08:11 PM
I just want it to be within NASA and SCCA rules when I race the car.
That's more like it.
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tinkfist,Nov 18 2009, 05:17 PM
That's more like it.
I am humble
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 05:13 PM
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No cage should be bolted in. Rollbar... that's a different animal. If the mounting locations are good/supportive, there is no reason why a bolted in bar wouldn't do sufficiently.

As for my "quoted" post, yes, it is easier to install than with a softtop, etc., but it will still take some time. You will not have to worry about the bar being perfectly centered(not softtop), and that's a huge plus. Still, I'm going to estimate at least 4 hrs from the time you start to put the car on jacksstands until you are finished.
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FF2Skip,Nov 18 2009, 06:13 PM
No cage should be bolted in. Rollbar... that's a different animal. If the mounting locations are good/supportive, there is no reason why a bolted in bar wouldn't do sufficiently.

As for my "quoted" post, yes, it is easier to install than with a softtop, etc., but it will still take some time. You will not have to worry about the bar being perfectly centered(not softtop), and that's a huge plus. Still, I'm going to estimate at least 4 hrs from the time you start to put the car on jacksstands until you are finished.
yea thats what I thought... around 4 hours.

anyhow thank you all for the info... and happy tracking
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 10:26 PM
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im also going to go with the hard dog roll bar with the lowered harness bar. as for the meantime i will still have my soft top but soon plan to fully gut it and take the soft top out.
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by FF2Skip,Nov 18 2009, 10:13 PM
Still, I'm going to estimate at least 4 hrs from the time you start to put the car on jacksstands until you are finished.
Really? How come it took us 13?
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by az3ar,Nov 18 2009, 08:11 PM
No this looks great and it’s not far, thanks. I am just worried about the rules. I would like to have a 4 point roll bar to start that will make a cage later on. I just want it to be within NASA and SCCA rules if I ever race the car.

I will call JE tomorrow


When I took my car in, I only needed either 1.500” x 0.120” or 1.750” x 0.095” DOM tubing for NASA, but James suggested that we go with 1.750” x 0.120” just in case I raced my car somewhere else other than NASA that required that sizing. Even though that is a compromise on a little bit of weight, I thought it was a good and timely suggestion.

I will be taking my car back in to JE this off-season to get some adjustments/additions done in the driver cabin area, like adding a dead pedal, re-position my seat etc.

Following Ross Bentley's principles --> Trying to first make the driver absolutely comfortable inside the cabin.
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 01:35 PM
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I am probably going to replace the bar in my S with another HD one with a lower harness bar this winter. In preparation for a cage as well.

Does it make sense to get the single or double welded diagonal? I don't know if NASA or SCCA regs call for double diagonal or single in their cage specs, but it seems to me like a double would be stronger and offer better rear visibility. Anyone know?

edit: per NASA CCR

15.6.7 Diagonal Brace
One (1) diagonal brace shall be used in the same plane as the main hoop. The diagonal should be one continuous path; meaning that it must conform to Diagrams 15.6.7a or 15.6.7b. Note- If the installation method from Diagram 15.6.7b is used, the builder should pay close attention to alignment. One end of the diagonal brace shall attach to the corner, or horizontal part, of the main hoop above the driver’s head, within twelve (12) inches of the driver’s-side corner. The other end of the diagonal brace shall attach to the mounting plate (or to the main hoop as close to the mounting plate as practically possible) diagonally opposed to the driver’s head (passenger floor).
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 02:44 PM
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With cages, it is important that you tell the builder exactly what you want them to do. This is key.

Make sure the cage is symmetric and the nodes all goto one point instead of random places. Some builders use these shortcuts to save materials.
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