Another bumpy ride
Originally Posted by Lainey,Oct 10 2008, 11:49 AM
Try being 20 years older than you are.....it's even more painful, when you see what this is doing to a retirement account you hope to have available in 10-15 years.
It's going to take a longgggggg time to recoup from this mess.
It's going to take a longgggggg time to recoup from this mess.
Originally Posted by zzziippyyy,Oct 10 2008, 11:57 AM
It is doubtful its going to take 5 let alone 10 years to recover. Lainey you have plenty of time and look at the bright side the shares your future investment are buying will be lower so you will have more shares when the prices rebound.
My investments from here on out will be extremely conservative and switching the balance to more fixed investments.
I leave the playing in the stock market to those with cast iron stomachs.
Originally Posted by Lainey,Oct 10 2008, 12:10 PM
I leave the playing in the stock market to those with cast iron stomachs.

I could buy Rotas today or a nice set of Volks in a year. If you see me rolling on stock wheels next fall you know I lost it all
Originally Posted by boltonblue,Oct 10 2008, 10:25 AM
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I'm still trying to understand the intrinsic value of these instruments.
I'm still trying to understand the intrinsic value of these instruments.
GM needs money, so they issue bonds to raise cash. Jerry says "hey, that rate of return on GM bonds looks awesome, I think I'll buy me some."
But then he gets to thinking "you know, GM cars are pretty stinky and all the guys on the S2Ki forum make fun of them except Erick and he isn't going to buy one cause he can't even afford a refrigerator. I'm not sure GM can pay this bond."
So Jerry calls the richest person he knows, Lainey, and says "hey Lainey, will you gaurantee these GM bonds?"
Lainey takes a look and says "sure Jerry. If GM doesn't pay those bonds, I'll pay you, BUT, it's going to cost you for the gaurantee."
So Jerry says "gee, how much... like 100 cookies or something?"
And Lainey says, "no, it's going to cost you a percentage of the return on the bonds and you have to pay it up front."
So Jerry says to himself, well, I guess I really want that gaurantee, but how do I know Lainey won't just blow all her money on cookies and not have any to pay me if the bonds default? So Jerry says, "well, ok Lainey, I'll give you $ for the gaurantee, but I want you to put up some collateral in case the bonds actually fail. Money that I know is available all the time."
And Lainey says, "fine, heres a box of money I kept under the bed. It isn;t the full value of the bonds, but a percentage that should cover a worst case shortfall. We'll keep it over at Bill's house for safe keeping cause he never spends anything on anything.
So now Jerry can rest assured that if GM bonds fail, he's got Lainey money to back it up. And that's the value of a credit default swap.
Originally Posted by boltonblue,Oct 10 2008, 12:15 PM
Watch the market around 3:00 today.
I suspect that is when it will step off the cliff.
nasty open Monday.
Tuesday is when to get back in.
I suspect that is when it will step off the cliff.
nasty open Monday.
Tuesday is when to get back in.
Originally Posted by PsychoBen,Oct 10 2008, 12:12 PM
I feel like taking a walk on the Tobin Bridge. Anyone want to join me? 

Originally Posted by Legal Bill,Oct 10 2008, 02:04 PM
That's because I haven't explained it to you yet.
GM needs money, so they issue bonds to raise cash. Jerry says "hey, that rate of return on GM bonds looks awesome, I think I'll buy me some."
But then he gets to thinking "you know, GM cars are pretty stinky and all the guys on the S2Ki forum make fun of them except Erick and he isn't going to buy one cause he can't even afford a refrigerator. I'm not sure GM can pay this bond."
So Jerry calls the richest person he knows, Lainey, and says "hey Lainey, will you gaurantee these GM bonds?"
Lainey takes a look and says "sure Jerry. If GM doesn't pay those bonds, I'll pay you, BUT, it's going to cost you for the gaurantee."
So Jerry says "gee, how much... like 100 cookies or something?"
And Lainey says, "no, it's going to cost you a percentage of the return on the bonds and you have to pay it up front."
So Jerry says to himself, well, I guess I really want that gaurantee, but how do I know Lainey won't just blow all her money on cookies and not have any to pay me if the bonds default? So Jerry says, "well, ok Lainey, I'll give you $ for the gaurantee, but I want you to put up some collateral in case the bonds actually fail. Money that I know is available all the time."
And Lainey says, "fine, heres a box of money I kept under the bed. It isn;t the full value of the bonds, but a percentage that should cover a worst case shortfall. We'll keep it over at Bill's house for safe keeping cause he never spends anything on anything.
So now Jerry can rest assured that if GM bonds fail, he's got Lainey money to back it up. And that's the value of a credit default swap.
GM needs money, so they issue bonds to raise cash. Jerry says "hey, that rate of return on GM bonds looks awesome, I think I'll buy me some."
But then he gets to thinking "you know, GM cars are pretty stinky and all the guys on the S2Ki forum make fun of them except Erick and he isn't going to buy one cause he can't even afford a refrigerator. I'm not sure GM can pay this bond."
So Jerry calls the richest person he knows, Lainey, and says "hey Lainey, will you gaurantee these GM bonds?"
Lainey takes a look and says "sure Jerry. If GM doesn't pay those bonds, I'll pay you, BUT, it's going to cost you for the gaurantee."
So Jerry says "gee, how much... like 100 cookies or something?"
And Lainey says, "no, it's going to cost you a percentage of the return on the bonds and you have to pay it up front."
So Jerry says to himself, well, I guess I really want that gaurantee, but how do I know Lainey won't just blow all her money on cookies and not have any to pay me if the bonds default? So Jerry says, "well, ok Lainey, I'll give you $ for the gaurantee, but I want you to put up some collateral in case the bonds actually fail. Money that I know is available all the time."
And Lainey says, "fine, heres a box of money I kept under the bed. It isn;t the full value of the bonds, but a percentage that should cover a worst case shortfall. We'll keep it over at Bill's house for safe keeping cause he never spends anything on anything.
So now Jerry can rest assured that if GM bonds fail, he's got Lainey money to back it up. And that's the value of a credit default swap.









