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Old Aug 13, 2008 | 11:11 AM
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if hydrogen is dead, then what's this?
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Old Aug 13, 2008 | 12:09 PM
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It is a "dead end"

You gonna stop there on your way Rochester?

60 NG stations in the whole country? Cars only in Cali? and not possibly available until 2010-2015......this article make my points more than refutes them.

There are 115 million electric refueling stations for electric vehicles CURRENTLY in the US if you count just home dwellings in the US (2000 Census)
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Old Aug 13, 2008 | 12:11 PM
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Until the Hydrogen that is used is produced from renewable sources than it shouldn't be labled alternative energy.
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Old Aug 14, 2008 | 06:23 PM
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You out there Jerry? Where you at buddy?
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Old Aug 14, 2008 | 07:03 PM
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Patience young pada wan.
Solar and wind shall provide the hydrogen through electrolysis.
These are renewable sources of energy.
I have revealed the path of the future.
Now we will wait and see how it shall play out.

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Old Aug 15, 2008 | 04:45 AM
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And I say.....solar and wind will be used to charge a battery/capacitor/energon cube
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Old Aug 15, 2008 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Cubs2k,Aug 15 2008, 08:45 AM
And I say.....solar and wind will be used to charge a battery/capacitor/energon cube


Water electrolysis is rather inefficient. It'd be better just to tie wind/solar generated electricity into the power grid and charge batteries from there. Solar -->electricity --> hydrogen --> fuel cell is a process that leaves you with very low energy efficiency.

That would help not only making vehicles more "green," it would also begin to offset the need for fossil fuel burning power plants.
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Old Aug 15, 2008 | 07:36 AM
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I'm just troubled by the physics and charge density they are claiming.

did you ever hear of the Vector sports car company?

this has the same feel to me.

The technology hasn't been deployed in standard electronics yet but they are going to make the leap to powering a car.
Technically, it just doesn't pass the sniff test.
As an investment, it might be moneygon.
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Old Aug 15, 2008 | 08:44 AM
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Another alternative for storing electricity from wind or solar would be pumped water storage. When there is electricity in excess of demand, pump water up the hill. When demand exceeds what wind/solar can provide, use the water in a hydro-electric plant. I'm led to believe that it's about 75% efficient overall, and it is certainly mature technology.
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Old Aug 15, 2008 | 08:57 AM
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Can you really pump water up hill with less energy than it reaps from falling back down through turbines?
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