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Body Building / Weight Lifting...any advice?

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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 06:13 PM
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Here is what I use:

-ON Protein after my workout and before bed, lots of water too.
-Mega Man multi-vitamins
-Chromium Picolinate for glucose metabolism
-Cinnamon Extract for protein metobolism

Here is how I have structured my workouts:
1. Abs, Legs, and a bit of arms
2. Cardio
3. Abs, chest, and bit of arms
4. Cardio
5. Back, shoulders, and a bit of arms
6. Cardio
7. OFF

I have tried creatine, it really did not give me results. Also I have tried lifting 5-6 days a week to really focus on the specific muscle groups and that did not really work. With my current schedule I am finally starting to see some progress. I am not shooting for huge and strong, just lean and moderatley strong. Mainly I just want to be in shape, and look like it too.

I think the key is trying a lot of methods until you find what works for you. Every human body responds differently, what works for some my not work for others.
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 06:29 PM
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Wouldn't a hard gaining 140 lb'er seeking to build muscle mass be better off sticking with the basic compound (power lifting) excercises?

Benches
Deadlifts
Squats

Those will put size on anyone.
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 06:52 PM
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Yeah but I'd give him 3months in the gym first just to get his body acclimatised to lifting weights. Then I'd go for the Bill Starr 5x5 routine...

---5X5---
Monday: Squats, Benching, Rows
Weds: Squats, Military Presses, Deadlifts, Chins
Friday: Squats, Benching, Rows

Courtesy of bill starr bill starr, the greatest strength coach who ever lived, popularized this in the 70's with his great book, The Strongest Shall Survive, which was aimed at strength training for football. I believe he had essentually two different programs which both are 5 sets of 5. The first, which is more suitable for beginners, is to simply do 5 sets of 5 with similar weight jumps between each set so that your last set is your top weight. When you get all 5 on the last set, bump all your weights up 5 or 10lbs. Example for squat... 185 for 5, 225 for 5, 275 for 5, 315 for 5, 365 for 5. If you get 365 for 5, move all weights up. This is especially good for someone who is just learning a particular exercise like the squat, because the amount of practice with light but increasing weights is a good way to practice form.

For more advanced lifters, he advocated a warmup, then 5 sets of 5 with a set weight. For example, the same athlete used in the other example may do 135 for 5, 185 for 5, 225 for 3, 275 for 2, 315 for 1, then 350 for 5 sets of 5. When successfull with all 25 reps at 350lbs, bump the weight up the next workout by 5 or 10lbs.

This is not outdated, and is a good program for gaining strength. Many elite athletes still use it during at least part of the year. I in fact do 5 sets of 5 on squatting for 4 weeks as part of an 8 or 10 week training cycle. Personally, i do it 3 times a week, but most people will probably make better progress doing it 2 times per week, or even doing version 1 once a week, and version 2 once a week.

In any event i described a system in a post a while back that goes something like this:
Monday use the heaviest weight you can for all 5 sets (same weight each set)---- in other words when you get all 5 sets of 5 reps up the weight (most workouts you will get 3 or 4 sets of 5- and maybe your last one will be for 3 or 4 reps)

Wednesday use 10-20% less weight- in other words if you used 200lbs on monday use 160-180lbs on wednesday- actual amount depending on your recovery

Friday work up to a max set of 5-

In other words lets say that your best ever set of 5 is 215lbs and you used 200lbs on monday for 5 sets and 170lbs on wednesday. On friday your workout might be like this 95 for 5 135 for 5 175 for 5 200 for 5 then attempt 220 for your last set of 5.

This tends to work better as a long term program than doing the same thing 3 times a week. On exercises where you only do them once a week like deadlift you can just do the 5 sets of 5 like i described. On monday on exercises that you are only doing twice (rows) you could do both exercises like the monday workout or lighten one of them depending on your recovery ability. Be conservative with the weight when you start- that is important.

Also i have used this program VERY often with athletes and it IS result producing. However many of your gains will show up after you use it for 4-6 weeks and you switch to training a bit less frequently and lower the reps and volume. However this is one program i have had a LOT of success with. In fact i rarely if ever use it with athletes who are at the top of their weight class because it causes too much weight gain unless you severely restrict your food.
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 08:54 PM
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Ok, what do you suggest for the following...
(1) I want to tone mid-section
(2) bulk up upper body (not much though).. any suggestions for Lats/forearms/Triceps
-My legs build REALLY easy (sh*t, I even look at a squat rack and they builk up), but my upper body is a struggle. At one time, I weighed 210 (big) but I had to too damn much to maintain it. Also, I have at max 1hr to work out.
Any help is appreciated.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 04:00 AM
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1) you cannot spot reduce without the aid of your 10blade
2) lifting weights is more efficient in burning cals than cardio so training your muscles will help achieve No.1
3) Swats and dls burn thooooooousands of calories so keep them in your routine no matter what.

Ten, there are only two ways to bulk and cut at the same time

1) beginners gains
2) HGH

If your bf% is lowish already I'd suggest that you start with a bulk over winter getting your size up to where you are happy and then cut by reducing cals to start and then adding cardio to continue cutting.

1hr is as much as you should do. I did a 1.5hr workout tonight and it gave me the shits because I know its "supposed" to be no good for you.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 04:59 AM
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Squats (and deadlifts) fire your metabolism up like no other exercise which adds to all over gains (for one thing). They are not just good for the legs. The ectomorph (hard gainer) body type in particular may benefit from this sort of routine wheareas endomorphs and esomorphs may get away with a wider variety of routines including a combination of compound and isolation exercises.

Spot reduction, as Austblue correctly stated, is a myth. In a nutshell, it's calories in/calories out. Simple formula. Also, the more muscle you have on you the more calories per hour you'll burn, even when at rest.

If you're trying to reduce your midsection bear in mind that you will burn fat all over and your stomach (for males) will probably be the last thing to go.

BTW does anyone remember Bill Pearl? He brought out a great book years ago that detailed all the bodybuilding exercises in detail.

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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Austblue,Dec 8 2005, 04:41 PM
Jonboy, do you realise that benching works your Chest-shoulders-tris and shoulders work your shoulders-tris so by doing chest-shoulders you're in fact increasing the level of fatigue in the two main muscles that you use in your second group? As I said earlier this works for a lot of people but it's not a very sound argument against "finishing" muscles off.
Benching is minimally tiring no the shoulders. If you're working pretty much ANY upper body muscle group, you'll have some effect on your other muscle groups.

Upper shoulders (ie, doing military presses and laterals) are generally unaffected by bench pressing.

Triceps are worked in those movements, but not too much. That's why I only give them 24 hours of rest.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 09:46 AM
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NFR, Austblu, or anybody,

What do you recommend for nutritious ready-to-eat meal (i.e. health bars) that you would eat for breakfast and in-between lunch/dinner? Thanks
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 10:01 AM
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i haven't taken anything for working out.

I try to stick to a few routines, and go about 3 or 4 times a week. I have noticed results, so i'm going to stick with what is working.

A friend of mine recommended NO explode to me, but i'm not sure about it. All it does is increase the Nitrogen load and bring more nutrients through out the blood stream.

i'm a little guy, 5'2 100lbs, so i think its best i stay away from supplements.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JonBoy,Dec 10 2005, 02:00 AM
Benching is minimally tiring no the shoulders. If you're working pretty much ANY upper body muscle group, you'll have some effect on your other muscle groups.

Upper shoulders (ie, doing military presses and laterals) are generally unaffected by bench pressing.

Triceps are worked in those movements, but not too much. That's why I only give them 24 hours of rest.
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