Plugging a couple of key words into google isn't what I'd call referencing but thanks for linking that search because not only does it support my argument but it also answers your own question

Normally I wouldn't use such crappy references but since you supplied them.......

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/articles...ght-lifting.htm

http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/395497-1.html

Counter arguing through reverse psych?

 

Well you just did it for me. Intervals are one of the best ways of gaining muscular endurance.

In the 90-minute program (see "Cardio"), with an even split between weight training and cardio, 60% of your burned calories will come while on the treadmill. That's 600 calories in 45 minutes, which is why the program is aimed at individuals who are already in good cardiovascular shape. (Those who aren't in good shape will burn fewer calories, but over time and with improved cardiorespiratory fitness, those numbers will climb.) A 180-pound athlete will need to maintain an average 6 mph pace over the 45 minutes. To get the most from your workout, however, incorporate an interval training strategy, alternating between a high-intensity and moderate-intensity routine, which is best for burning more overall calories.

Sources: Exercise Physiology, McArdle, Katch, Katch (Lea & Febiger,


But hell, we could trade quotes all night long. Bottom line is it worked for me. I'm 29 yrs old, and the routine I posted put me from a 210 lbs beer bellied college grad to a 175 lbs athlete who will be running his first marathon this year.

I believe it was ICE-T who said in the latest Men's Health:

When you go to the gym, there's always going to be someone to your right who will be better shape than you. And to your left, someone who wishes they in as good as shape as you are.

 

Hi Guys, here is an interesting find on myself. I went to calculate my BMI - http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/bmi/calc-bmi.htm and it resulted in a BMI of 30%. I am 5'8" and weigh about 200lbs. According to the weight status it indicates I am obese. But to get to a BMI of 18.5

 

Bottom line isn't "what worked for you" because as many have said here, what works for one person might be completely wrong for another!

Your excerpt clearly states that the worse shape you're in the less you're going to benefit from the cardio and I'd be willing to bet that a good majority of people on this site couldn't just up and run for 45 minutes straight which is why they should focus on lifting and supplement with cardio on their off days to increase their general physical preparedness. Too many newbs bust into the gym with all the enthusiasm of a teen at a strip joint only to find they burn out and don't want to put up with the constant pain. If they were to take it easy and work themselves into it they'd find that the pain subsides when your body becomes accustomed to the exercise.

Yes cardio is good but no it shouldn't be the focus of your training IMO unless you plan on running marathons etc. and if you read the thread before posting you would have realised that the original poster was after bodybuilding/supplement advice hence the direction the thread took.

If you don't like my posts, fine you don't have to but don't come in here spitting your opinion as fact if you can't back it up with logical refereed documents.

 

[QUOTE=paivag,Dec 12 2005, 02:58 PM] Hi Guys, here is an interesting find on myself. I went to calculate my BMI - http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/bmi/calc-bmi.htm and it resulted in a BMI of 30%. I am 5'8" and weigh about 200lbs. According to the weight status it indicates I am obese. But to get to a BMI of 18.5

 

Hence the "worked for ME" part. If I meant for others, I would have said so.

I never said you had to start at 6 mile runs. Everyone has to start from somewhere. You said it yourself. All I'm saying is that cardio is an integral part of an overall fitness program. A 400 lbs obese guy isn't going to trim to a buff 250 from weight lifting alone.

That's utterly riduculous. You think all those people on the treadmills and ellipticals are training for marathons?

Don't take these posts so personal bud. Lay off the juice and go for a run. That's why they're called opinions. You don't need references. Its not a college thesis.


But anyways, back to the topic. Like I mentioned before, I have been using Precision ISO-PRO whey isolate protien shake. I have one first thing in the morning with breakfast, and then one immediately after my workouts. It tastes great, easy to make with no blenders, no clumping. It also has a very high protien content. 35g per 40g scoop. Low cal, low carb.

 

So why come into a thread about bodybuilding and weightlifting and suggest focusing on cardio because it worked for your goals when clearly the guy's aim is to build muscle not burn it?

[QUOTE] That's utterly riduculous.

 

Well, if you read my original post, I simply asked why cardio was never mentioned. I never told anyone to focus on it at all.

The rest of my post, I simply posted my routine and the supplements I used.....oh wait, that's what the thread was about!

I would assume that because this is a freaking Honda S2000 forum , that anyone would take weight lifting advice with a grain of salt. Jesus man, you want footnotes and bibliographies for every point posted on this board?

I'm done with you dude.....I answered the freakin original question, and added my 2cents along with it.

Get some tolerance dude, its Christmas.