Is Boeing a good place to work as software eng?
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Being a guy who is a software engineer who interviews people a lot, I could care less what degrees you have. If you're really good (and you know if you are), forget a masters. If you feel your competent, and think a Masters in CS will help you be a better developer, then go for it. In the software development field, it's really about how good you are. And I've never met anyone that became a whole lot better because they have an extra degree. Now if you just have an interest in learning more about CS, then go right ahead, just don't think it will necessarily get ya a better job.
I interview PhDs routinely who couldn't code jack outside of their realm of study.
Now, if you want to go into management, or learn more about business, the MBA can help ya there.
Not sure which is better. Just make sure you won't be stuck on one project for a long period of time. You want to get experience in many different areas of development. If possible, I'd try and get on a tools team where you're consistently developing new apps and interfacing with people (your clients) and getting used to making a client happy.
Also, to the guy who said it's not good to be in the finance field is NUTS! Finance companies pay for technology. It's literally the the backbone of their business. If you are a really good technologist, you will get PAID (not as much as a broker or a banker), but most likely more than your other technology buddies at the same level.
I interview PhDs routinely who couldn't code jack outside of their realm of study.
Now, if you want to go into management, or learn more about business, the MBA can help ya there.
Not sure which is better. Just make sure you won't be stuck on one project for a long period of time. You want to get experience in many different areas of development. If possible, I'd try and get on a tools team where you're consistently developing new apps and interfacing with people (your clients) and getting used to making a client happy.
Also, to the guy who said it's not good to be in the finance field is NUTS! Finance companies pay for technology. It's literally the the backbone of their business. If you are a really good technologist, you will get PAID (not as much as a broker or a banker), but most likely more than your other technology buddies at the same level.
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Originally Posted by erik,Nov 29 2007, 09:18 PM
Being a guy who is a software engineer who interviews people a lot, I could care less what degrees you have. If you're really good (and you know if you are), forget a masters. If you feel your competent, and think a Masters in CS will help you be a better developer, then go for it. In the software development field, it's really about how good you are. And I've never met anyone that became a whole lot better because they have an extra degree. Now if you just have an interest in learning more about CS, then go right ahead, just don't think it will necessarily get ya a better job.
I interview PhDs routinely who couldn't code jack outside of their realm of study.
Now, if you want to go into management, or learn more about business, the MBA can help ya there.
Not sure which is better. Just make sure you won't be stuck on one project for a long period of time. You want to get experience in many different areas of development. If possible, I'd try and get on a tools team where you're consistently developing new apps and interfacing with people (your clients) and getting used to making a client happy.
Also, to the guy who said it's not good to be in the finance field is NUTS! Finance companies pay for technology. It's literally the the backbone of their business. If you are a really good technologist, you will get PAID (not as much as a broker or a banker), but most likely more than your other technology buddies at the same level.
I interview PhDs routinely who couldn't code jack outside of their realm of study.
Now, if you want to go into management, or learn more about business, the MBA can help ya there.
Not sure which is better. Just make sure you won't be stuck on one project for a long period of time. You want to get experience in many different areas of development. If possible, I'd try and get on a tools team where you're consistently developing new apps and interfacing with people (your clients) and getting used to making a client happy.
Also, to the guy who said it's not good to be in the finance field is NUTS! Finance companies pay for technology. It's literally the the backbone of their business. If you are a really good technologist, you will get PAID (not as much as a broker or a banker), but most likely more than your other technology buddies at the same level.
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i have a good friend who's been working there for many years now as an IT engineer, almost right out of college now that i think of it. in those years i've changed my jobs 3 times and career once, and he stayed rock solid. i think he plans to retire there and he says good things about the company. i don't think you can go wrong working there all your life & retire, but it's up to you on what you want to achieve. having either boeing or disney on your resume will open a lot of doors, just make sure you work there a couple of years to show that you can stay in a job for a set period of time. jumping around is never a good idea.
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Originally Posted by 13darkknight,Nov 29 2007, 07:50 PM
Many of my friends said that $65k is not much. But i think they are rich bastards anyways =).
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Originally Posted by erik,Nov 29 2007, 10:18 PM
Being a guy who is a software engineer who interviews people a lot, I could care less what degrees you have. If you're really good (and you know if you are), forget a masters. If you feel your competent, and think a Masters in CS will help you be a better developer, then go for it. In the software development field, it's really about how good you are. And I've never met anyone that became a whole lot better because they have an extra degree. Now if you just have an interest in learning more about CS, then go right ahead, just don't think it will necessarily get ya a better job.
I interview PhDs routinely who couldn't code jack outside of their realm of study.
Now, if you want to go into management, or learn more about business, the MBA can help ya there.
Not sure which is better. Just make sure you won't be stuck on one project for a long period of time. You want to get experience in many different areas of development. If possible, I'd try and get on a tools team where you're consistently developing new apps and interfacing with people (your clients) and getting used to making a client happy.
Also, to the guy who said it's not good to be in the finance field is NUTS! Finance companies pay for technology. It's literally the the backbone of their business. If you are a really good technologist, you will get PAID (not as much as a broker or a banker), but most likely more than your other technology buddies at the same level.
I interview PhDs routinely who couldn't code jack outside of their realm of study.
Now, if you want to go into management, or learn more about business, the MBA can help ya there.
Not sure which is better. Just make sure you won't be stuck on one project for a long period of time. You want to get experience in many different areas of development. If possible, I'd try and get on a tools team where you're consistently developing new apps and interfacing with people (your clients) and getting used to making a client happy.
Also, to the guy who said it's not good to be in the finance field is NUTS! Finance companies pay for technology. It's literally the the backbone of their business. If you are a really good technologist, you will get PAID (not as much as a broker or a banker), but most likely more than your other technology buddies at the same level.
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Originally Posted by MikeyCB,Nov 29 2007, 03:11 PM
I only half agree that you should get your masters. Do you NEED it? I say no.
Master's is something good to have, but I'd say you can get WHILE you're progressing in your desired career path. Joining the industry and expecting to make big dough in some high level position is unrealistic.
Now if you were to join the industry in a more junior role while also obtaining your masters at the same time, you will see progress on two fronts while not feeling discouraged that your income is half of what you were hoping it would be.
I'm not saying education is overrated, just keep in mind that it's more of a check box on a list, whereas experience is and area that gets talked about very in-depth. Having said that, experience can't make up for no education. So build up both of them, the most efficient way being simulanteously.
Also, Boeing is one of my dad's clients. I concur about them being a good, but old-school company. No super dynamic environment, but the kind of place you can work at for years and years, driving your green Ford Taurus to, eating bologna and ketchup sandwiches prepared by your chubby wife with low self-esteem. They'll definitely need to up their image if they want to attract and retain new/young employees.
Master's is something good to have, but I'd say you can get WHILE you're progressing in your desired career path. Joining the industry and expecting to make big dough in some high level position is unrealistic.
Now if you were to join the industry in a more junior role while also obtaining your masters at the same time, you will see progress on two fronts while not feeling discouraged that your income is half of what you were hoping it would be.
I'm not saying education is overrated, just keep in mind that it's more of a check box on a list, whereas experience is and area that gets talked about very in-depth. Having said that, experience can't make up for no education. So build up both of them, the most efficient way being simulanteously.
Also, Boeing is one of my dad's clients. I concur about them being a good, but old-school company. No super dynamic environment, but the kind of place you can work at for years and years, driving your green Ford Taurus to, eating bologna and ketchup sandwiches prepared by your chubby wife with low self-esteem. They'll definitely need to up their image if they want to attract and retain new/young employees.
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Originally Posted by MikeyCB,Nov 29 2007, 03:11 PM
I only half agree that you should get your masters. Do you NEED it? I say no.
Master's is something good to have, but I'd say you can get WHILE you're progressing in your desired career path. Joining the industry and expecting to make big dough in some high level position is unrealistic.
Now if you were to join the industry in a more junior role while also obtaining your masters at the same time, you will see progress on two fronts while not feeling discouraged that your income is half of what you were hoping it would be.
I'm not saying education is overrated, just keep in mind that it's more of a check box on a list, whereas experience is and area that gets talked about very in-depth. Having said that, experience can't make up for no education. So build up both of them, the most efficient way being simulanteously.
Master's is something good to have, but I'd say you can get WHILE you're progressing in your desired career path. Joining the industry and expecting to make big dough in some high level position is unrealistic.
Now if you were to join the industry in a more junior role while also obtaining your masters at the same time, you will see progress on two fronts while not feeling discouraged that your income is half of what you were hoping it would be.
I'm not saying education is overrated, just keep in mind that it's more of a check box on a list, whereas experience is and area that gets talked about very in-depth. Having said that, experience can't make up for no education. So build up both of them, the most efficient way being simulanteously.
I completely agree there...As an example... I got hired this past January by a company along with 3 others (they completely switched out their IT department... Here was our new department:
One guy with a Masters Degree
One guy with a Batchelors Degree
One girl with a Batchelors Degree
Me with a High School diploma and a Freshman in college (majoring in Business, nothing even computer related)
The guy with the Masters Degree was making twice as much as the two with the batchelors degrees, while I was making 10% more than what they were making... (the guy with the Masters was hired as the IT manager)
After 6 months of working for the company, the company fired the manager, fired the guy with the Batchelors degree, and kept me and the girl... They made me IT manager (with a high school diploma) and increased my pay by 75% and kept the girl with the Batchelors degree the same as she had at the start...
Lesson of the story, in the IT industry, yes, degrees are good, but what you know/can do is more important... I am making about 180% of what the girl with her batchelors was making and about 5% less than what the guy with his Masters was making, why? because I could perform... Not to be cocky, but I knew/could solve twice as much as what the two Batchelor degree holders could, and a lot quicker, more efficient, and more organized...
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Originally Posted by 13darkknight,Nov 29 2007, 09:50 PM
Many of my friends said that $65k is not much. But i think they are rich bastards anyways =).