By the way. I did cheat on a test and felt awful about it. Many years ago I programmed some physical constant values into my calculator before a test. Avagadro's constant, Faraday's constant, energy of an electron volt - that sort of thing. No way to tell which was which and no units, mind you, since in those days a calculator's memory could only hold numerical values. Still, I cheated only myself and feel somewhat guilty about it more than 25 years later.

Don't get me wrong. I don't lose sleep over it but it immediately came to mind when this subject came up.

 

call me what you want....

but last time i checked, a lot of indian engineers do communicate poorly, hence they still work for pennies on the dollar compared to their american counterparts.

also, they do indeed stress the math and science portion much more than lets say creative writing or history... i am not saying writing is completely eliminated, but the proportions are very different.

i regret nothing, i had fun in college, didnt graduate with the best gpa, but i am doing better than fine now.

as the old adage goes, when your friends ask you if you wanna go drinking instead of studying... Cees earn degrees

 

and who here didnt know somebody that took calculus without harnessing the power of the TI-89!!!! come on.

 

It is true, no one ever inquires about your GPA unless it's your first job out of college.

 

At least I'm logged out of the rest of my apps (at least I am now). I need to go home. Why am I wasting time here at work?

 

cuz its dishonorable to be the first person to bounce out of work on a thursday. those kind of maneuvers are reserved for fridays after the cubicle gather and chat session, which of course comes after the post big lunch nap session.

 

I hear you, and you certainly aren't the only one who sees it that way. I think my point was two-fold. One, as many have already explained--cutting corners during undergrad is like shooting yourself in the foot because at the graduate level, regardless of the degree, you *need* to be prepared. Thus it's somewhat ironic when people cheat to make their applications more attractive to advanced degree programs. (Spoiler alert: grades aren't the end-all of strong applications.)

Second, and most importantly, be more careful with sweeping generalizations. Hard-working and slacking are equal-opportunity offenders.

 

Yea that would suck

But using it for ideas could be worth it

 

ive never used it, or known anyone that has. but at my school, they actually use a system now, where they scan your paper, and some program they have searches online to see if you actaully plagiarized it. >.<

 

Wrong.

A lot of internationals that make it to the US and get jobs here work for pennies on the dollar so that their company sponsors their green card process. It's why my wife got railed salary wise despite getting promoted each year that she's worked here. Coincidentally, she's not an engineer.

Further, those that do have a difficult time communicating are usually the tech guys on any given project. Typically a company keeps them in the back and a liaison between the business and them gives them the requirements. They sit back (quite happily, I might add) and build the solution based on specs given. Often times those guys weren't graduating at the top of their class in India. Rather, many of them took one or more courses that gave them the tech background they need to get a better than call center job. Those guys are usually also in India.

Perhaps you should hang out with the ones that actually succeeded here. As my original post stated, it was hard work that got them where they are... Not cutting corners whenever possible.

And if competition is fierce, you should man up and try to stay afloat the best you can. While I love the Simpsons and all, I don't think even you'd want to tell your kids what Homer said.

"You tried your best and failed miserably. The lesson is: never try."

And I'm not saying you need to have a 4.0 at Yale... Just that whatever level you're at, try to get it done on your own without cheating.