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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 09:42 AM
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Hello All,

This is a forum filled with educated thoughtful people (mostly) so I thought some of you may be interested in this. For the uninitiated, the West Memphis Three refers to three teenage boys accused of killing three young boys. Here's a quote from their website.

"Although there was no physical evidence, murder weapon, motive, or connection to the victims, the prosecution pathetically resorted to presenting black hair and clothing, heavy metal t-shirts, and Stephen King novels as proof that the boys were sacrificed in a satanic cult ritual. Unfathomably, Echols was sentenced to death, Baldwin received life without parole, and Misskelley got life plus 40."

Regardless what you believe, please check out their website (www.wm3.org) for more information if you so choose. The reason I bring this up is that my fiancee is sponsoring a drive for more donations, with a drawing for some free art. You can see the details at her website (http://cinquain.deviantart.com/journal/8342698/).

Thanks for looking.
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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 09:50 AM
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is there any evidence to the contrary? How do we know they aren't guilty? Because they said so? Is there any reason to believe someone else was responsible? Why were these three even suspects if they had no connection to the crime? Too many questions for me to just decide they must be innocent 'cuz someone says so on a web page.
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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 09:56 AM
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Do you know what's so great about the internet?



the fact you can look up Google, type in wm3 or west memphis three, and read up on it. There is also a published book, "Paradise Lost - The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills", if you feel like going that far, and drawing your own conclusions. So before you jump on the "I don't believe that" bandwagon you should try learning a little bit about it, about how (I think) the legal system failed these three human beings.

EDIT: Here, i've made it easy, here's a link to case information, including an evidence archive. http://www.wm3.org/live/caseinfo/index.php
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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 12:08 PM
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***UPDATED, here are some direct court documents showing what passes for the case against the three.

http://courts.state.ar.us/opinions/1996a/9...sc/cr94-928.txt

Here are some links you can look through to form your own opinion.

http://altreligion.about.com/b/a/119305.htm
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murd...is/index_1.html
http://www.tictokmen.com/wm3/
http://p210.ezboard.com/bwestmemphisthreediscussion
http://margaretcho.net/blog/damienwm.htm
http://soniccorpseglide.blogspot.com/2006/...ns-winston.html
http://wm3.tribe.net/
http://karisable.com/crwm3.htm
http://www.arwar.org/
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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by no_really,Apr 7 2006, 09:50 AM
is there any evidence to the contrary? How do we know they aren't guilty? Because they said so? Is there any reason to believe someone else was responsible? Why were these three even suspects if they had no connection to the crime? Too many questions for me to just decide they must be innocent 'cuz someone says so on a web page.
Remind me not to call you for my legal defense. . .

The burden of proof is on the state, regardless of your (or the public's) opinion.
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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 8D_In_Trunk,Apr 7 2006, 12:36 PM
Remind me not to call you for my legal defense. . .

The burden of proof is on the state, regardless of your (or the public's) opinion.
Totally agree, thanks for the sane reply.
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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 06:43 PM
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wait hang on a second...

well i checked and people are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

now as you were saying.
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Old Apr 8, 2006 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.E.G.,Apr 7 2006, 09:43 PM
wait hang on a second...

well i checked and people are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

now as you were saying.
whats your point? are you being sarcastic?

i just read the whole entry in wikipedia, and at first it seems like they had evidence against them, but its obvoius now that the police were fabricating the story using threats and whatever. will there be a retrial?
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Old Apr 9, 2006 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by C U AT 9K,Apr 8 2006, 11:58 PM
whats your point? are you being sarcastic?

i just read the whole entry in wikipedia, and at first it seems like they had evidence against them, but its obvoius now that the police were fabricating the story using threats and whatever. will there be a retrial?
I don't think there will be a retrial. They are still in appeals though. The defense is also trying to gather funds for some expensive DNA testing.

I started this thread, and am suggesting that people do their own research before forming an opinion (thank you C U AT 9K) but even I am not always sure what I think about this case... however, the one thing I am sure of is that the trial transcripts are full of things that make you go "huh?" because in many cases the prosecution's argument just doesn't seem based on rational thought. If the transcripts I have provided links to are accurate (and they should be, from the court's website) it would be difficult for me, as a juror, to find the defendants guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Does this mean I think the defendants are innocent or guilty? I don't know, the available information is confusing. I think the justice system failed somehow. I don't think the boys were given a fair shake. That is my point.

I posted this topic on two forums I visit: S2ki, and another that will remain nameless. I got alot more hate, and fewer responses that had much thought behind them, on the other site. So this is my little thank you to s2ki members; even if you disagree with me, you do it with style.

Are there other worthwile causes I could wave a flag for? Sure, many. But i'm okay with this one, at least for today.
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