I agree with the basics...... showering, pissing, eating..... it is the specialty things.... i wouldn't put it past someone suing to make a horse saddle suitable to handle a wheel chair (joke).

 

Here's an ADA FAQ:
http://www.disabilityrights.org/adatoc.htm

I don't see anything about products, just facilities.

 

I hope that was not aimed at my comments because you would have misinterpreted my point.

I think ADA is a good thing, disabled people have a right to enjoy stuff everyone else does. I don't think they are lower caste. But their are some places that you just can't get access for everyone and that does not mean you should punish those folks whose legs work.

If you ever have been to someplace like Mesa Verde where they have these cliff dwellings made by the indians a jillion years ago, getting down to them through narrow passageways in the canyon is not even possible for some older able bodied people. Setting up some sort of scaffolding over the side to lower people down kind of ruins the nature of a pristine cliff dwelling find, so do you make it look like a disneyland attraction and put in elevators or do you accept that some people might not be able to make in there? I think a couple provisions could be added to the law to allow things to remain open that are difficult access without having to be closed to everyone.

We have some public mountain hiking trails in this country with beautiful scenery, it is only a matter of time before some lawyer sues and says that we need motorized contraptions to take quadrapalegics up rugged mountain hiking trails. There has to be a sensible line somewhere.

 

You forgot about taking a dump

I don't agree with the whole no theater for anybody since wheelchair people can't fit down the stairs in that one donated building. I think that's a bit extreme. That's like saying "well class, we were going to go on a feildtrip to the movies, but johnny is afraid of the dark and the law won't let us leave his ass at home so nobody can enjoy it now."

 

I bet we see more fat people lawsuits soon. I just read about same fat idiot who sued McDonald's 'cause he couldn't fit in a booth or sit on a chair anymore. He wants 'fat people' chairs put in.

McDonald's might have to do that soon anyway, based on obesity statistics. I wonder if profits will go up when they do it. Does one really fat person taking up two regular seats eat as much as the two normal size people would?

 

I like the politically correctness of this statement.



as head of the "wellness committee" here at my work, i have pointed out to the overweight people that if they want to lose weight, they should try eating less. (master of the obvious) They don't seem to know how to do that without someone screaming in their ear (why did sam kinison have to die).

 

People need to get off the idea that the world owes them a freaking favor. I would like to see wheelchair ridden people be able to lead normal lives, but that doesn't entitle them to everything they want, at the expense of others.

 

It's not a favor, it's the law.
Accessability isn't at the expense of others. It just means it's accessable to all. I worked in the hospitality industry and I had make sure that the properties all complied with ADA, we had a bar that the only way anyone in a wheelchair could come in was to either lift them wheelchair and all or use some 2X6's as ramps, they couldn't use the restrooms, they were too small and the doors too narrow. They could not negotiate through the bar either as the floor had several levels and no ramps. The owners tried to grandfather it but they had no other facilities that the wheelchair bound could use. We hired a consultant, ex police officer that had been shot in the back and was wheelchair bound, to check all of the properties. He gave us a report that was an eyeopener, you would be surprised at how many places in a building are inaccessable. That particular bar has since been totally remodeled and turned into a fine restaurant, that has access for all.
Any place that has undergone renovations in the last 20 years should be in compliance. For that matter they've all had more than 20 years to comply, if they couldn't have done anything in that time frame they should be sued. Early on the ADA laws stated that it had to be something that could be readily fixed that needed attention right away. That's why the physically disabled are still routed to back doors. (residential ramp 1:12 business ramp 1:20) How would you like only being able to use the back door to every place you go to.
If you are wheelchair bound you have limited reach, you can't just stand up to get something that is too high, therefore displays of products that allow you to test the product should be at a level accessable from a wheelchair. It's not that hard to fix.

 

A few months back I read an article in Arabian Horse magazine about a woman who lost her legs and uses a wheelchair. She owns an Arabian horse who has been trained to stand beside her wheelchair and kneel down so that she can get into the saddle; the horse then stands up and off they ride.

It's a bit off-point, but its pretty darned impressive.

 

one more thread started by Scot, the guy who doesn't understand anything or anybody :/