Excuse me Sir...you forgot your TIP!
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Originally Posted by Wildncrazy,Mar 26 2006, 04:34 PM
Now if you are going back again then maybe you want to to insure that you get extra special treatment next time.
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC,Mar 26 2006, 11:34 AM
She worked, served you, made sure everything was to your liking....
So basically, you dont tip, she doesnt eat.
What most people dont realize is that if they dont get tipped, they cant pay rent and cant eat.
So basically, you dont tip, she doesnt eat.
What most people dont realize is that if they dont get tipped, they cant pay rent and cant eat.
Originally Posted by thumbnail,Mar 26 2006, 03:07 PM
some customers will tip less some of the time..give a little, take a little. that's how things work.
In the end, it is always the same, but I don't see the relevence to your post, as has already been stated, it was a matter of mis-communication, not whether or not SIIK2NR didn't want to tip or whether or not the waitress provided good service.
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Originally Posted by Wildncrazy,Mar 26 2006, 04:34 PM
When you pay for your food it is kinda basic that they need to get it to your table OR offer you a way to get it there yourself (a cafeteria).
Originally Posted by Wildncrazy,Mar 26 2006, 04:34 PM
you are not robbing anyone by not tipping!
I do when I receive service that goes beyond the basics.... a cute waitress
I do when I receive service that goes beyond the basics.... a cute waitress
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Originally Posted by MattG,Mar 27 2006, 12:26 AM
What I want to know is how does the cook who does all the work preparing the dish get anything out of this?
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This is going to sound rude to some of you but I don't feel sorry for waiters at ALL. Try working a job requiring HARD physical labor... like construction work. I used to work pulling concrete for 4.75cents per hour (minimum wage at the time) in 100 degree heat for 10 hrs a day for several summers. You have these smoes working in an air conditioned building complaining about not getting their "due". I guarantee every one of them are making well over minimum wage despite a few not tipping here and there. If they want a high paying job.. get an education... or learn a skill. Having to put up with rude customers is not exclusive to waitressing. Let's not even mention the fact of how much money stay's under the table and never gets reported to the IRS.
Almost 50-60% of my friends worked food service while i was in undergrad. I don't think i ever saw them make less than minumum wage. If you ask me waitressing is a minimum wage job no more no less.
Here is a direct quote off of the U.S. department of labor website:
BOTTOM LINE.. they will make minimum wage whether or not you tip.
All this being said I do tip but usually only about 10 percent unless they just blow my mind with good service and that.... RARELY ever happens
Almost 50-60% of my friends worked food service while i was in undergrad. I don't think i ever saw them make less than minumum wage. If you ask me waitressing is a minimum wage job no more no less.
Here is a direct quote off of the U.S. department of labor website:
An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
All this being said I do tip but usually only about 10 percent unless they just blow my mind with good service and that.... RARELY ever happens
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^^^ Try working an 8 hr shift in a busy resturant on a Saturday night. It's not exactly pulling up concrete. But you will be physically exhausted by the end of the night. It's a lot of running around, carrying stuff, always on your feet, no breaks at all, for 8 hrs straight.
10% tip is considered VERY low. Traditionally 10% is what you would give if you received below average service. Today most places the serice staff will average around 17%-18% for a full shift. Pretty much anything under 15% is considered a bad tip nowadays.
Andrew
10% tip is considered VERY low. Traditionally 10% is what you would give if you received below average service. Today most places the serice staff will average around 17%-18% for a full shift. Pretty much anything under 15% is considered a bad tip nowadays.
Andrew
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC,Mar 26 2006, 02:34 PM
Simple answer.....if you dont tip her (unless you had bad service and didnt think she deserved one)...you are basically robbing her.
She worked, served you, made sure everything was to your liking....and got nothing. That is not any different than walking into a store and taking groceries and not paying. You screwed the owner out of money. Waitstaff doesnt get paid (US waitstaff minimum wasge is $2.75 in NY, which goes to taxes)
So basically, you dont tip, she doesnt eat.
She didnt badger you, just asked politely if you forgot the tip....
What most people dont realize is that if they dont get tipped, they cant pay rent and cant eat.
P.S. I dont mean you meant to rob her, or are a bad person in any way. This is just a generalization of the waitstaff feelings when they are not tipped.
P.P.S To the people who are saying she should have said "How was everything tonight" instead of you forgot the tip...you are correct...BUT....based on the original post, I noticed you said she is a native Thai. This means her english and her phrasing structures isnt up to your level. People often say things (not US natives) that they think are harmless, but can easily offend a local. Its up to you to decide whether or not it was intended as a rude comment, or just being of another origin.
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She worked, served you, made sure everything was to your liking....and got nothing. That is not any different than walking into a store and taking groceries and not paying. You screwed the owner out of money. Waitstaff doesnt get paid (US waitstaff minimum wasge is $2.75 in NY, which goes to taxes)
So basically, you dont tip, she doesnt eat.
She didnt badger you, just asked politely if you forgot the tip....
What most people dont realize is that if they dont get tipped, they cant pay rent and cant eat.
P.S. I dont mean you meant to rob her, or are a bad person in any way. This is just a generalization of the waitstaff feelings when they are not tipped.
P.P.S To the people who are saying she should have said "How was everything tonight" instead of you forgot the tip...you are correct...BUT....based on the original post, I noticed you said she is a native Thai. This means her english and her phrasing structures isnt up to your level. People often say things (not US natives) that they think are harmless, but can easily offend a local. Its up to you to decide whether or not it was intended as a rude comment, or just being of another origin.
(I am a Restaurant/Bar/Hotel Consultant)
Where do these places get off paying their staff $2-3 an hour. I personally think they should be paying enough so that i shouldn't have to tip at all. I just paid $200 for $30 worth of food and $10 - 20 worth of drinks. They made $150 off of me! Pay your staff $15 an hours and profit the $135.
The establishment is robbing her not the patrons!
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC,Mar 26 2006, 04:13 PM
Yes it is. Way back when, waiters used to get paid like any other normal jobs. However, over the years, greedy employers realized that the staff was making too much money, due to the fact that they are getting paid AND getting tipped. So over the years, the service industry phased out straight pay in favor of tips. In todays times, a waiter working a 10 hours shift, without tips will make about 22 bucks, and after taxes, about 3 dollars. (Yes its true, i did payroll for 5 years in 2 restaurants) How many of you think its fair that someone who works hard to serve YOU 10 hours a day deserves 3 dollars a day?
No, it doesnt say in any legal book that tipping is mandatory. However, you are part of society arent you? You cannot blame the staff for the owners greed over the years. They (owners) ...basically shifted who pays the staff. The staff is not at fault, and if they do a good job, there is no reason why you should not tip. Im not saying you should tip 55%, but 12% at the least (if the service was just fine) up to 25% if it was fantastic.
I have always said this.....I think everyone should work in a service industry for 1 year of their life. Having people treat you like dirt, talk down to you (much like you did above) expect you to shine their shoes, plaster a fake smile on, and cater to your every whim.....only to get a $2 tip on a $350 check.
Its a very tough business, and many people who are your servers are just trying to put themselves through school, etc etc.....
P.S. Also just a friendly restaurant tip (many people think this is just a joke)...DO NOT PISS OFF ANYONE WHO HANDLES YOUR FOOD.
No, it doesnt say in any legal book that tipping is mandatory. However, you are part of society arent you? You cannot blame the staff for the owners greed over the years. They (owners) ...basically shifted who pays the staff. The staff is not at fault, and if they do a good job, there is no reason why you should not tip. Im not saying you should tip 55%, but 12% at the least (if the service was just fine) up to 25% if it was fantastic.
I have always said this.....I think everyone should work in a service industry for 1 year of their life. Having people treat you like dirt, talk down to you (much like you did above) expect you to shine their shoes, plaster a fake smile on, and cater to your every whim.....only to get a $2 tip on a $350 check.
Its a very tough business, and many people who are your servers are just trying to put themselves through school, etc etc.....
P.S. Also just a friendly restaurant tip (many people think this is just a joke)...DO NOT PISS OFF ANYONE WHO HANDLES YOUR FOOD.
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Originally Posted by ccarnel,Mar 27 2006, 09:52 AM
This is going to sound rude to some of you but I don't feel sorry for waiters at ALL.
[QUOTE=ccarnel,Mar 27 2006, 09:52 AM]Try working a job requiring HARD physical labor... like construction work.