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I guess it depends on what "well trained" means to you but how many hours does a typicall commerical passenger airline pilot have to have to get his wings? I'm not talking licence I'm talking about actually getting hired. Why do you have such a freakin problem with airline pilots? I mean was your father a pilot and he beat you every day when he was home or something?
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[QUOTE=exceltoexcel,Jan 27 2006, 03:49 AM] I guess it depends on what "well trained" means to you but how many hours does a typicall commerical passenger airline pilot have to have to get his wings? I'm not talking licence I'm talking about actually getting hired. Why do you have such a freakin problem with airline pilots?
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Maybe he doesn't know what it takes to be a commercial pilot.
Maybe he's having a bad day.
Maybe he's pulling your leg.
Maybe he likes to always be negative.
Maybe he should tell us himself.
What about it Stevo?
Maybe he's having a bad day.
Maybe he's pulling your leg.
Maybe he likes to always be negative.
Maybe he should tell us himself.
What about it Stevo?
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Originally Posted by exceltoexcel,Jan 27 2006, 05:17 PM
I figured, so why does Steve have such a big beef with pilots?
He also thinks airliners takeoff by themselves while the pilots babysit and to date, there is no commercial airliner that takes off on autopilot. They may turn the autopilot on a thousand or so feet above the ground after takeoff, but the airplane does not takeoff by itself. They do have autothrottles, which will advance the throttles up to a preset takeoff thrust setting, but as far as pitch, roll and yaw inputs, it's all done by the pilot flying.As far as autoland goes, performing a Cat III autoland requires certification of the aircrew, aircraft, ground equipment and a maintenance program. Every one of these needs to be "current" and tested. Even the ILS equipment on the ground has to be certified by the FAA in order to be used as a Cat III autoland approach (where the aircraft flies the approach, flares, touches down and brakes all by itself). You just can't let the aircraft autoland into any old airport. Pilots don't do autolands very often. Sometimes in poor weather or to stay current (or to keep the aircraft systems current - required once every 30 days), but I would look at it as a pride thing. Do you think pilots actually enjoy the fact that technology will eventually take us out of the cockpit? No, not really. I know for me, takeoff and landing is the most fun and challenging part of the flight. It ain't easy landing a 190,000lb aircraft at almost 190mph in the first 3000 feet of the runway (ie: touchdown zone), with gusty crosswinds. Now, alot of airline pilots will let the autopilot fly the instrument approach down to 200 feet above ground and then turn the autopilot off to hand fly it for landing. I'm not going to lie. The autopilot flies the airplane better than we do (as long as we tell it to do the right thing - garbage in/garbage out). As airline pilots, they're providing a service to a few hundredy potentially bitchy passengers in the back. Using the autopilot as much as possible provides for a smooth flight (and more fuel efficient) and less passenger complaining. If you're going to hand fly, you've gotta be smooth.
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Good to know about the Continental planes - I'll give them more consideration when I fly.
Kind off OT, but I had a mechanical delay on a flight yest, and the pilot got on the airport terminal PA and started a big speech about how planes are just machines, and machines break, but he was confident in Delta (my flight) and that he really stood behind the company. Then, on my connection, the next pilot came out of the cockpit and greeted the passengers over the PA, saying what cities we'd be flying over, temps, time, and how he appreciated our business.
I thought it odd that in one day I had two separate pilots give speeches to the passengers... Maybe pilot appreciation is part of Delta's bankruptcy plan?
Kind off OT, but I had a mechanical delay on a flight yest, and the pilot got on the airport terminal PA and started a big speech about how planes are just machines, and machines break, but he was confident in Delta (my flight) and that he really stood behind the company. Then, on my connection, the next pilot came out of the cockpit and greeted the passengers over the PA, saying what cities we'd be flying over, temps, time, and how he appreciated our business.
I thought it odd that in one day I had two separate pilots give speeches to the passengers... Maybe pilot appreciation is part of Delta's bankruptcy plan?
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Originally Posted by PilotKD,Jan 27 2006, 08:46 PM
Don't know... don't care really. He also thinks airliners takeoff by themselves while the pilots babysit and to date, there is no commercial airliner that takes off on autopilot. They may turn the autopilot on a thousand or so feet above the ground after takeoff, but the airplane does not takeoff by itself. They do have autothrottles, which will advance the throttles up to a preset takeoff thrust setting, but as far as pitch, roll and yaw inputs, it's all done by the pilot flying.
As far as autoland goes, performing a Cat III autoland requires certification of the aircrew, aircraft, ground equipment and a maintenance program. Every one of these needs to be "current" and tested. Even the ILS equipment on the ground has to be certified by the FAA in order to be used as a Cat III autoland approach (where the aircraft flies the approach, flares, touches down and brakes all by itself). You just can't let the aircraft autoland into any old airport. Pilots don't do autolands very often. Sometimes in poor weather or to stay current (or to keep the aircraft systems current - required once every 30 days), but I would look at it as a pride thing. Do you think pilots actually enjoy the fact that technology will eventually take us out of the cockpit? No, not really. I know for me, takeoff and landing is the most fun and challenging part of the flight. It ain't easy landing a 190,000lb aircraft at almost 190mph in the first 3000 feet of the runway (ie: touchdown zone), with gusty crosswinds. Now, alot of airline pilots will let the autopilot fly the instrument approach down to 200 feet above ground and then turn the autopilot off to hand fly it for landing. I'm not going to lie. The autopilot flies the airplane better than we do (as long as we tell it to do the right thing - garbage in/garbage out). As airline pilots, they're providing a service to a few hundredy potentially bitchy passengers in the back. Using the autopilot as much as possible provides for a smooth flight (and more fuel efficient) and less passenger complaining. If you're going to hand fly, you've gotta be smooth.
He also thinks airliners takeoff by themselves while the pilots babysit and to date, there is no commercial airliner that takes off on autopilot. They may turn the autopilot on a thousand or so feet above the ground after takeoff, but the airplane does not takeoff by itself. They do have autothrottles, which will advance the throttles up to a preset takeoff thrust setting, but as far as pitch, roll and yaw inputs, it's all done by the pilot flying.As far as autoland goes, performing a Cat III autoland requires certification of the aircrew, aircraft, ground equipment and a maintenance program. Every one of these needs to be "current" and tested. Even the ILS equipment on the ground has to be certified by the FAA in order to be used as a Cat III autoland approach (where the aircraft flies the approach, flares, touches down and brakes all by itself). You just can't let the aircraft autoland into any old airport. Pilots don't do autolands very often. Sometimes in poor weather or to stay current (or to keep the aircraft systems current - required once every 30 days), but I would look at it as a pride thing. Do you think pilots actually enjoy the fact that technology will eventually take us out of the cockpit? No, not really. I know for me, takeoff and landing is the most fun and challenging part of the flight. It ain't easy landing a 190,000lb aircraft at almost 190mph in the first 3000 feet of the runway (ie: touchdown zone), with gusty crosswinds. Now, alot of airline pilots will let the autopilot fly the instrument approach down to 200 feet above ground and then turn the autopilot off to hand fly it for landing. I'm not going to lie. The autopilot flies the airplane better than we do (as long as we tell it to do the right thing - garbage in/garbage out). As airline pilots, they're providing a service to a few hundredy potentially bitchy passengers in the back. Using the autopilot as much as possible provides for a smooth flight (and more fuel efficient) and less passenger complaining. If you're going to hand fly, you've gotta be smooth.
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Its a great plane, just think about all boeing has learned over the years.
There first priority is to make the safest plane!
THe systems are so well designed now, every part that ever failed has been made better, stronger and more reliable.
You're even safer in a newer plane! Regardless of the model year.
Glad to see you're exploring the subject of your fears.
Probably the best thing you can do.
The more you know about it the more you'll realize you're safe up there.
to you!
There first priority is to make the safest plane!
THe systems are so well designed now, every part that ever failed has been made better, stronger and more reliable.
You're even safer in a newer plane! Regardless of the model year.
Glad to see you're exploring the subject of your fears.
Probably the best thing you can do.
The more you know about it the more you'll realize you're safe up there.
to you!