I want to quit my job...
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Originally Posted by the dumontster,Jan 17 2008, 12:16 PM
In regard to the "you are more employable if you're employed now" statement...I definitely find truth in that.
That said, just because you are employed somewhere, doesn't mean you're in demand elsewhere, hence find a new job before you quit that one.
Try to maintain as much focus as you can so that the last thoughts your current company has of you don't overshadow all the good you did while you were there previously. End on a high note and nobody at your current company can be sour if you are going elsewhere to pursue opportunities that aren't available to you there. Then, tell your old company to call me, Technical Recruiter, to replace you once you're gone
jk about that last part.Start searching NOW. Make calls to companies you want to work at, and even find out if there is a (third party) recruitment firm that deals with a company you like. While some people think their chances of getting noticed at a company is to go directly to HR there, the fact is that recruitment firms build and develop ongoing relationships with hiring managers and HR people.
Would you rather be cold calling a company and hoping you can sneak a foot in? Or finding someone who has a rapport with them and use their connections. It doesn't make you any less professional and many companies will actually appreciate you using the recruitment provider they pay money to for finding them qualified talent.
Good luck!
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Originally Posted by vader1,Jan 17 2008, 01:15 PM
My brother was in the same boat. He said all the other programmers on his team were incompetent. He always had to fix their work after they were done. And they dumped all the work on him because that was the only way it would get done correctly.
He complained about a team member not pulling their weight and his boss said, "How about another $10K?"
About another month later he had a complaint about the number of hours they were making him work. "How about another $10K"
Now he still hates his job but he says they are paying him way more than anyone else would so he stays and hates it.
As far as superiors not sticking up for their own, he was given the task of making some software for the company. His boss wanted a user friendly system and asked him to come up with a cartoonie thing for help. He came up with the "Help Wizard" When you searched a help topic this cute little cartoon wizard with a smile, grey beard and purple wizard costume would pop up and guide you through the help topic. His boss thought it was great.
Later, someone in the company complained it was racist because the wizard reminded them of the KKK. Guess who got a sh*tstorm and no backing from the boss? I think he ended up milking another raise out of the issue though.
He complained about a team member not pulling their weight and his boss said, "How about another $10K?"
About another month later he had a complaint about the number of hours they were making him work. "How about another $10K"
Now he still hates his job but he says they are paying him way more than anyone else would so he stays and hates it.
As far as superiors not sticking up for their own, he was given the task of making some software for the company. His boss wanted a user friendly system and asked him to come up with a cartoonie thing for help. He came up with the "Help Wizard" When you searched a help topic this cute little cartoon wizard with a smile, grey beard and purple wizard costume would pop up and guide you through the help topic. His boss thought it was great.
Later, someone in the company complained it was racist because the wizard reminded them of the KKK. Guess who got a sh*tstorm and no backing from the boss? I think he ended up milking another raise out of the issue though.
And that is ridiculous about the little wizard. Everybody knows wizards would never join the KKK. They're adamantly independent in their racism.
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Originally Posted by the dumontster,Jan 17 2008, 02:05 PM
I recently changed positions and companies last September. I took this new position as a Senior level programmer with intent of leading a major redesign. Well the timeline for this project has been pushed back indefinitely and I found out too late that the application I would be redesigning, was poorly built and showing its flaws under high volume.
Basically, my daily tasks are fixing poor original design and other menial support tasks. I have major regard for software documentation, and another empty promise was to implement lifecycle documentation; that was tossed b/c no one here could care less. Everyone wants stuff done yesterday. My bosses constantly get bent over, not taking any political stands, and the tight deadlines, and ever-changing priorities trickle down to me. The "lead" developer is a hack at best.
Cliffnotes
: The job I took was not the promised position and I am bandaiding a poorly built claims management system. There really is nothing good I can speak of. Partially my fault for not doing more research and asking the right questions during the interview process.
I am currently looking for another job, but my question is, should I leave this position immediately, or stick it out until I have the next position locked. My skills are in demand and my credentials/education are very presentable. I have enough income saved to support myself for about 6 months.
So quit/resign, out by next friday, or stick it out until I have another position locked up, probably about a month or two? what would you do?
Basically, my daily tasks are fixing poor original design and other menial support tasks. I have major regard for software documentation, and another empty promise was to implement lifecycle documentation; that was tossed b/c no one here could care less. Everyone wants stuff done yesterday. My bosses constantly get bent over, not taking any political stands, and the tight deadlines, and ever-changing priorities trickle down to me. The "lead" developer is a hack at best.
Cliffnotes
: The job I took was not the promised position and I am bandaiding a poorly built claims management system. There really is nothing good I can speak of. Partially my fault for not doing more research and asking the right questions during the interview process. I am currently looking for another job, but my question is, should I leave this position immediately, or stick it out until I have the next position locked. My skills are in demand and my credentials/education are very presentable. I have enough income saved to support myself for about 6 months.
So quit/resign, out by next friday, or stick it out until I have another position locked up, probably about a month or two? what would you do?
I'm guessing you are a salaried employee, and if so, why not start creating the documentation needed to start the redesign. Your upper management may give two shits that you went ahead and started creating the documentation, but it may help them realize the desperate need for the major redesign (or hopefully in my point of view, a major refactoring. And if your bosses are so pissed and fired you, who cares, you were thinking of quitting anyway.
None of us are in your position, but maybe some initiative on your part might help get the ball rolling in the direction you want it to roll.
I'm an integral part of hiring every developer/tester that walks into our offices, and I'm not concerned with a prospect's current employment. And I have never had my team of interviewers make such a statement during discussions of any candidate.
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Originally Posted by vader1,Jan 17 2008, 03:15 PM
Later, someone in the company complained it was racist because the wizard reminded them of the KKK. Guess who got a sh*tstorm and no backing from the boss? I think he ended up milking another raise out of the issue though.
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Originally Posted by erik,Jan 17 2008, 09:49 PM
Take some of this with a grain of salt, but if you were hired to lead a major redesign, why do you find it surprising that the original version of the software is poor? It also does not surprise me that your bosses are unwilling to go through with the redesign since they will now have to go through all the testing and bug finding they have already done in some respect with the current software, even if it is poor (but working and possibly creating sales).
I'm guessing you are a salaried employee, and if so, why not start creating the documentation needed to start the redesign. Your upper management may give two shits that you went ahead and started creating the documentation, but it may help them realize the desperate need for the major redesign (or hopefully in my point of view, a major refactoring. And if your bosses are so pissed and fired you, who cares, you were thinking of quitting anyway.
None of us are in your position, but maybe some initiative on your part might help get the ball rolling in the direction you want it to roll.
I'm an integral part of hiring every developer/tester that walks into our offices, and I'm not concerned with a prospect's current employment. And I have never had my team of interviewers make such a statement during discussions of any candidate.
I'm guessing you are a salaried employee, and if so, why not start creating the documentation needed to start the redesign. Your upper management may give two shits that you went ahead and started creating the documentation, but it may help them realize the desperate need for the major redesign (or hopefully in my point of view, a major refactoring. And if your bosses are so pissed and fired you, who cares, you were thinking of quitting anyway.
None of us are in your position, but maybe some initiative on your part might help get the ball rolling in the direction you want it to roll.
I'm an integral part of hiring every developer/tester that walks into our offices, and I'm not concerned with a prospect's current employment. And I have never had my team of interviewers make such a statement during discussions of any candidate.
I've found that as long as the necessary tasks in my day are taken care of, I'm pretty much free to tell my bosses that something is needed (and of value internally or to clients) and they let me run free. Take a little initiative, and you might find yourself in a good position to request more money (once the positive results of your effort are realized) or you might improve the function of the existing application in terms of its usability.
Like was said, if you think you're doing the right thing and they fire you for it, who cares? You know what's amazing? In my dealings with hundreds of people in the market for jobs, I've never met one who was ever fired. Amazing. Even in the reference checks I perform I've never had anyone say that someone was so bad they had to fire them. Don't be concern that it'll tarnish your record.
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