If you speak another language(s)
my old college marketing professor told a joke:
what do you call a person who speaks 3 languages?
'trilingual'
what do you call a person who speaks 2 languages?
'bilingual'
what do you call a person who speaks 1 language?
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'an American'
what do you call a person who speaks 3 languages?
'trilingual'
what do you call a person who speaks 2 languages?
'bilingual'
what do you call a person who speaks 1 language?
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'an American'
Originally Posted by mxt_77,Jul 8 2008, 02:02 PM
I agree with your point that you should teach your kids other languages if you know them, but in the same regards, I think you would be putting your kids at a disadvantage if you only speak to them in a non-English language. English is the primary language in the US, and in order to be successful, a kid needs to be able to speak it fluently. That should be the focus, where possible. If you want the kid to also speak other languages, then set aside certain times that those languages will be used (maybe do conversations at breakfast in Italian, and conversations at dinner in Japanese), but I believe that English shouldn't be ignored. One of my co-workers speaks Vietnamese, and that's all she will speak in her home. Therefore, when her daughter started to pre-school, she had to learn English from scratch. That's not a good situation to be in, and not a fair situation to put a teacher in, either.
also, i think the OP is differentiating between learning a new language just to learn it and speaking the language of one's culture/ethnicity/heritage.
many europeans are multi-lingual because a) english is taught early as it is an "international" language b) geography
this doesnt fully apply to us
while foreign languages should be more heavily emphasized, our current education curriculum is already lackluster in mathematics, history, geography, rhetoric .............. all of which should be given more weight
this doesnt fully apply to us
while foreign languages should be more heavily emphasized, our current education curriculum is already lackluster in mathematics, history, geography, rhetoric .............. all of which should be given more weight
This old joke puts it very well.
Scenario:
Pedro fails high school English.
1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2007 - Pedro 's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro 's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.
Foundation must be laid first. As a psychobio major, they often teach us that the critical points for langauge development is in the first 6 years, then a plateau starts to wane in. As long as the precident of using 2 languages fluently is established, the child will be able to compensate. If both languages are used by the parents, the child may become not very well versed in either languages, i.e. Chinglish.
Scenario:
Pedro fails high school English.
1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2007 - Pedro 's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro 's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.
Foundation must be laid first. As a psychobio major, they often teach us that the critical points for langauge development is in the first 6 years, then a plateau starts to wane in. As long as the precident of using 2 languages fluently is established, the child will be able to compensate. If both languages are used by the parents, the child may become not very well versed in either languages, i.e. Chinglish.
My soon to be wife speaks fluent Cantonese. In fact, when conversing with the rest of her family, they all speak it. I have been trying to learn it...they all think it is cool that a white guy is learning to speak Chinese. It is rather hard, but I'm slowly getting it.
Anyway, my fiance speaks English just as well, if not better than I do. Her mother speaks enough to be able to talk to me, but that's about it. When we have kids, we will primarily speak in Chinese...at least until they get ready to start school...hence once of the reasons I am trying to learn. We both think that it will be good for our kids to be able to speak both languages.
I think as a kid, it is easy for children to learn multiple languages. Her cousins (the oldest being 19) are fluent in both languages, as is her brother. But as the OP said, they all speak in Chinese when conversing with each other. Unless it is her and her brother, then they talk in English.
Anyway, my fiance speaks English just as well, if not better than I do. Her mother speaks enough to be able to talk to me, but that's about it. When we have kids, we will primarily speak in Chinese...at least until they get ready to start school...hence once of the reasons I am trying to learn. We both think that it will be good for our kids to be able to speak both languages.
I think as a kid, it is easy for children to learn multiple languages. Her cousins (the oldest being 19) are fluent in both languages, as is her brother. But as the OP said, they all speak in Chinese when conversing with each other. Unless it is her and her brother, then they talk in English.
Originally Posted by JustAyoungMC,Jul 16 2008, 08:06 AM
What is inherently good about knowing more than one language (especially if that one language is English)?
however, knowing another language gives you access to trains of thoughts and logic directions that you might have never considered before, not to mention that many more potential mates to choose from. in addition, it helps on your resume, helps to know another language for work, and in this day of globalization, not knowing more than 1 language just seems silly. i've used my language skills to my business advantage more than once during negotiations and found it to be invaluable to have people speaking languages in front of me they assumed i don't understand.
finally, if you're not a history buff, you need to know that languages come in and out of dominance: latin, french, italian, german, english, and god knows what else in the future. those who're naive enough to think english will be the predominant language in the future should take a second look.
I spoke only English up until high school where I was forced to learn one. I chose German. I can't speak it fluently, but I know enough to get me around town if I were to go there.
Learning Cantonese to me is actually exciting. In fact at our wedding reception, Part of the speech where I address her family is going to be in Cantonese. It is a challenge to me to be able to converse with her family in their native tongue.
You ask what good can come of it? To me it is invaluable. Her family totally supports me in learning and seems to be very happy that I am even putting an effort towards learning it. And in my learning, I will be able to pass that along to our children. Because I already know that Chinese is going to be their primary language. Why would I want to alienate myself from my own children?
If nothing else...It'll just be fun to be able to speak it.




