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i'm very dissapointed in seibon.

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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 08:56 AM
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Default i'm very dissapointed in seibon.

i've always believed in seibon when everything was great... but what makes a company stand out, is what they do when something goes wrong.

would like your attention for just a moment.

I purchased a carbon fiber hood made by Seibon International and am dissatisfied with almost everything about it. It's not the fitment (the only thing covered under warranty), nor was it the shipment as it came thoroughly boxed and protected. Rather, I am dissatisfied with the THREE broken areas of carbon fiber weave PRESENT in the hood BEFORE I opened it.

Yes, I was sent a defective hood.

Now normally I can rely on manufacturers being upstanding members of our industry, but Seibon International will not own up to the matter. I talked at length with Deil today (for 40 minutes) and the best that he could do was CHARGE me for the shipping back and forth. He was courteous enough to remind me on several occasions that it was not his position to even talk to me on the matter. This was something between me and the dealer I bought it from, even though this clearly falls under Seibon's warrantable conditions. At the same time, however, he was going to charge the dealer I purchased form shipping which means they will have to charge me shipping. In the end I'm still going to be out.

Never before have I dealt with a company with a solid reputation that did not want to accept fault or even responsibility for providing a sub-standard product. He did reassure me though, that I was not overcharged for a perfect hood since. That's nice since I did, in fact, not receive one. According to the head of Seibon in California, a hood living up to my expectations (of an unbroken weave and acceptable fitmen) would surely cost in the neighborhood of $1500. That means the Spoon hoods and Buddy Club hoods are a superb value. Had I know this to begin with, I would have paid the extra money or gone the other route and paid less for something with the same substandard quality. Why buy from a company with a reputation when an eBay based company will provide the same lackluster customer service? Afterall, talking directly with a company representative got me as far as screaming at a blank computer monitor.

So, even though put my faith in Seibon International and ordered a hood without seeing the one I was purchasing, even though the hood has a manufacturing imperfection before the final stage of preperation and shipment, even though the hood meets their standards of defective they will not provide a new replacement hood free of charge. They (Seibon International) expect me, or the shop I purchased it from, to pay for the shipment of the hood across the country. Twice. Now, they estimate the shipment costs of a carbon fiber lip at $80. How much do you think I stand to lose in shipping a hood twice because of a defective product?

I have contacted Seibon and been shut down in California. My next step is to contact the owner in Xu in China. I am doing this to provide an example of their level of customer service and their commitment to their product quality. On many occasions during my forty minute conversation with Deil in California, I gave him the opportunity to tell me he would take car of shipping me a new hood. I did not ask for anything unreasonable or for a freebie because I am unhappy. I asked a reputable company to stand behind their product and make things right but I was more than let down. I was denied.

Please keep this at the top of the lists as I will undoubtedly post this more than once, and on more than one forum. Link this as often as you can and I will keep everyone updated should there be any developments. I never wanted to badmouth Seibon and this is the first I have spoken about it only because I wanted to give them the opportunity to make things right before I ousted them.

Thank you for reading, please don't buy Seibon products.

Brandon

If yu have any questions about this matter that you would like me to address outside of this post, please feel free to contact me via PM or email: phunhaus@hotmail.com
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 09:17 AM
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Just dispute you credit card charge. Let them deal with it.
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC,Oct 19 2005, 09:17 AM
Just dispute you credit card charge. Let them deal with it.
you think that would work or be right?
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 11:28 AM
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yes, hes right. your credit card company will make you whole again. if seibon is truly in the wrong, your cc company will go to bat for you, but you should have documentation to back you up
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 12:08 PM
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and pics
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 12:17 PM
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paying shipping only for a repair/replacement under warrantee is perfectly acceptable, even if it is a hassle. I would balk at paying shipping both ways, but when you buy a CF hood, I certainly would hope you have enough money left over to pay for things like shipping. And I don't know why someone would refuse to let the dealer handle an issue like this The dealer can decide whether to pass the extra shipping costs on to the customer, and the customer can then decide if they want to use the dealer again. Deciding that the manufacturer is being a jerk because they want you to deal with the dealer is bone-headed, IMHO.
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by no_really,Oct 19 2005, 02:17 PM
paying shipping only for a repair/replacement under warrantee is perfectly acceptable, even if it is a hassle.
You pay for an unblemished, well packed, yaddah...yaddah hood, you'd damn well better get one. If you purchased an iPod and had it arrive in unworking condition, would you expect to PAY apple to get one that works? I sure as hell wouldn't. But that's just me. If the dealer won't make the situation right, then who better to go to than the dealer's boss...the supplier?
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 02:08 PM
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Why not take it up with the comapny that sold it to you and have them deal with Seibon. If you dispute the CC company they will go after the company that sold it to you, not Seibon. Why dont you deal with the dealer before going after the distributor?
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 03:56 PM
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That's why u don't buy this fake shit. So you don't have to deal with it fitting and being made like dick.
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 04:27 PM
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Why would anyone expect a company that lied, in order to make copies of the Mugen Hardtop, to do the correct thing? Their entire business is based on stealing other people's designs.
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