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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by S2Kguy,Jun 14 2005, 12:35 AM
Threads like this just serve to take me farther and farther from the ignorant norm of people.

The fact is, none of you know him, yet many of you have convicted him on the grounds of what the media has shown you, knowing nothing of his true personal life. Just because the man is different doesn't mean he's inherently bad or wrong, or that he's done something against the law.

To think you people have the brains enough to have jobs that support an S2000 payment is just amazing to me. Yeah, I just called you all stupid, if you were wondering. You're probably the same idiots that think O.J. murdered 2 people, when a child could realize that it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to know if he did or not, so any useless speculation you'd have on the matter would just be further proof of your stupidity.

People disgust me.
There are some "facts" that, to my knowledge, MJ has not denied (ex. allowing children to sleep in his bed, etc.) that are all red flags. Of course given the media it is difficult to know the whole "truth" but based on the things he himself has admittedly done, you can't help but at least have strong suspicions.

To call people ignorant and stupid because they make judgements without knowing MJ personally is a bit hypocritcal when you're doing the same thing, no?
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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by honda606,Jun 13 2005, 04:25 PM
This trial confirms that if your net worth is in the nine figures or more that America's court system won't touch you.
agreed. A better example is the O.J case though. The case that was brought against MJ really wasnt that great. From the evidence I was able to see, I couldnt have convicted him, even I am fairly certain he is guity. There is a decent amount of doubt and thats what the law says. The OJ case was a joke....the blood, cuts on his hands, the defense playing the race card. That trial was ridiculous and to think they sentenced scott peterson to death based on circumstancial evidence. Peterson was convicted because he was ing Amber Frey while his wife was missing. Regardless of his guilt or innocence, his quest for new pssy is what convicted him. A cheating man instantly biases the female jurors...
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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by S2Kguy,Jun 13 2005, 11:35 PM
You're probably the same idiots that think O.J. murdered 2 people, when a child could realize that it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to know if he did or not, so any useless speculation you'd have on the matter would just be further proof of your stupidity.
This is a bad example, buddy. That loser is SOO guilty it's not even funny.
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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 07:22 AM
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Jackson will be back for the 3rd try.

On CNN, a juror was asked:

1) Are u confidant of your decision? ... "yes"

2) Would u let your child stay there? ... "Not over night, I am a portective parent"!
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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by shareall,Jun 14 2005, 06:04 AM
There are some "facts" that, to my knowledge, MJ has not denied (ex. allowing children to sleep in his bed, etc.) that are all red flags. Of course given the media it is difficult to know the whole "truth" but based on the things he himself has admittedly done, you can't help but at least have strong suspicions.

To call people ignorant and stupid because they make judgements without knowing MJ personally is a bit hypocritcal when you're doing the same thing, no?
"Red flags"? Red flags for whom? Red flags from what? Child molesters in the past? Michael in the past? The fact that a child sleeps in a mans bed does NOT prove anything sexual happened, therefore the fact that you call it a "red flag" just goes to show that you're another sheep, conditioned by the media to believe that all things you don't understand or that won't fit into this CURRENT society are inherently wrong.

"Strong suspicions"? Based on what? The media? Don't get me started. Never forget that hype and sensationalism are their forte.

No, I'm not doing the same, I'm simply stating the fact that I DON'T KNOW, so I reserve judgement, and anyone doing any different without privy knowledge is an IDIOT. This point is non-negotiable.
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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by gotrice02,Jun 14 2005, 06:50 AM
This is a bad example, buddy. That loser is SOO guilty it's not even funny.
1. You're not my buddy.
2. Were you there? If not, shut your pie-hole, 'cause all you write is the dog food you've been fed.
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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by S2Kguy,Jun 14 2005, 11:29 AM
"Red flags"? Red flags for whom? Red flags from what? Child molesters in the past? Michael in the past? The fact that a child sleeps in a mans bed does NOT prove anything sexual happened, therefore the fact that you call it a "red flag" just goes to show that you're another sheep, conditioned by the media to believe that all things you don't understand or that won't fit into this CURRENT society are inherently wrong.

"Strong suspicions"? Based on what? The media? Don't get me started. Never forget that hype and sensationalism are their forte.

No, I'm not doing the same, I'm simply stating the fact that I DON'T KNOW, so I reserve judgement, and anyone doing any different without privy knowledge is an IDIOT. This point is non-negotiable.
My profession and educational background give me more knowledge about the dynamics of sexual abuse than some others have. I'm not saying that red flags "prove" anything, but they are most certainly indications that something should be looked into further.
To call me a "sheep, conditioned by the media" is outright inaccurate. If you knew me you would know I inherently mistrust ALL media and highly value critical thinking. On the contrary, I understand sexual abuse very well. It's my job.

Since you've passed judgement on me without "privy knowledge" does that make you an idiot too?
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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 07:53 AM
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[QUOTE=S2Kguy,Jun 14 2005, 10:30 AM] 1. You're not my buddy.
2. Were you there?
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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 08:26 AM
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Shareall: Your education and background have failed you, I made a reasonable assumption about you based on what you wrote with regards to red flags. Not all people are the same, and on that note, I'll remind you who you're talking about in this instance. To compare anyone in the world to Michael is pure folly.

gotrice02: To "figure that one out" takes more than you might think, and neither you or I are in a position to know anything about it for certain, so if we choose to make up our minds based on what the media has fed us, that makes us stupid.

As I said before, the only reasonable choice is to reserve judgement because the absolute truth of the matter cannot be known. Have you forgotten that of the 3 people on earth that truly knew if O.J. did it or not, 2 are dead? For you to suppose that it's simple to say O.J. murdered those people is a testament to your ignorance, and nothing more.


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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 10:05 AM
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OJ is quilty. Wacko Jacko is quilty.

Question to Jacko's supporters - Would you let your own son sleep in the same bed as MJ unsupervised? I think not...
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