i doubt he would've raise to $20 on J-10 suited or otherwise.

furthermore, with a flop of AKx, him sticking around to try and fill a gut-shot straight when he is severely behind already on the flop is ridiculous.

finally, with another K on the board, only an idiot would've called to see the river to pull out his miracle gut-shot straight.

I put him on AK or QQ, but prolly would've called at that point if i were you if the pot was as big as you stated.

 

Ya, you shouldn't have folded.. before the river, only thing beating you was AA, and it takes a damn good player to play AA properly and not like a giddy school girl.. I would have went all in on the turn at that point, so if he was chasing his stright, holding a J-10, he would have folded.. and even if he didn't I'd rather go out on a bad beat then ask the question you just asked.. that's the worst part of all!!!

 

Crap, forgot the AK posibility.. hmmmm

 

no way to the fold. I would have pushed harder at the two pair on the flop and eliminated the chasers.

On a serious note the two raisers in front of you should have faded your hand quite a bit

K/4 offsuit with that many players is a bogus hand with two raisers in front of you.

NOOO WAY on the fold after you made your full house though :wrist-smack:

 

I wouldn't have limped in on the opening to start with. But if I lost my mind and somehow paid to see that flop I'd have ridden it to the end with what you drew.

 

I would have called. Full house I call the bluff.

 

I would've called for sure. Lot's of poker players here, let's start a game in SoCal!!

 

Wantone... the dude fuckin bluffed you man! The guy had deuce 7 offsuit, and played tight all night because other than the $ he had on the table, the guy was flat broke...

 

well ur preflop call was wrong. with a bet and a raise before u, it makes ur play preflop incorrect. should have ended there

next, on the flop, with something like $120 in teh pot already, u throw out $20, with a straight possibility, and flush draw on the board, u do nothing to protect ur hand. if u have loose guys acting after u, u could have check-raised here to possible take it down. but against the AA or AK, it could be dangerous.
so u put in the $20 and it gets min raised to $40, why didnt u go hard and try and take it down? only AA, 44 and AK beat u here. all possible.

the turn play is even more troublesome as u have now made ur full house, with a lot of action to come. it looks like ur pretty much committed to the pot, so no use faolding now when its not going to cost u much to see it through. say goodbye to the $300 u had.

 

The biggest question is what kind of hand you put him on.

BEFORE THE FLOP:
1. Is he type of a player that would not re-raise if he had two aces before the flop? Accoring to you, he flat-called before the flop. he could have re-raise upto $200(lucky chances?) if there are 3 players with a raise and a reraise in front of him.
2. So a possibility of two aces is very slim and a possibility of him having AK or KQ before the flop is definitely there.

FLOP:
3. the fact that he raised you on the flop shows some sort of strengh.
4. if he was tight- good type of a player, he wont raise you on the flop and bet $100 on the turn IF he was on a draw.
5. so what kind of hand can he possibly have? AK, pocket 4's, and any ACE with a high kicker. *no draw* the other guy was mostly drawing

TURN:
you made your hand. a good thing is you dont have to worry about flush and straight. there are two opponents: one who's betting and the one who's chasing. you are cry-calling.
if he bet $100 on the turn, THIS IS WHEN YOU HAVE TO DECIDE IF YOU HAVE HIM BEAT OR NOT.

you gotta think of the odds. you have invested ONLY $60 so far which is 20% of what you had
you are putting $100 to see the river which doesnt really mean much at this point
$20 x 5 players before the flop = $100
$40 x 3 players on the flop = $120
*your deciding point* ($100 x 2 players + your $100 on the turn = $300)


At this point, you are putting $100(possibly more) to win $420 since one guy bet $100 and the other guy called. you are getting 4.2 to 1 which is good but it doesnt do you any good if you are already beat.

Because the fact that you called the turn with $100, you HAVE TO CALL the river. You had to think about calling or folding on the turn, NOT on the river after he goes all-in.

Since you called the turn, you have $160 invested in this pot and the pot is already $520. since the guy went all in, you have $150 or so and you are putting 150 to win $670. that's still more than 4.5 to 1.

so the answer is YES, YOU CALL. (this is becuase you called the turn)

Playing king 4 off-suit is not a bad play if that's your style and the odds (4 to 1 in this case)are there.
The question is not whether to call or fold on the river. You had a decision to make on the turn.