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the pot calling the kettle black

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Old Nov 15, 2006 | 08:09 PM
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i'm confused. how does that even make sense. pots and kettles are not necessarily black in color...
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Old Nov 15, 2006 | 08:11 PM
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they are when you cook over an open flame with them.
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Old Nov 15, 2006 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by no_really,Nov 15 2006, 09:11 PM
they are when you cook over an open flame with them.
even stainless steel pots??
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Old Nov 15, 2006 | 08:29 PM
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The saying is extremely old, back when everything was made out of black iron.
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Old Nov 15, 2006 | 08:31 PM
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Pots and kettles were made of heavy cast iron when this term was "coined".

People would "season" the pot/kettle by "burning" it over an open flame until it was "blackened" prior to cooking with it for the first time.
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Old Nov 15, 2006 | 08:33 PM
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aah. so this saying is really not appropriate today cuz most folks would not be familiar with the context of the saying...
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Old Nov 15, 2006 | 09:41 PM
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The proper quotation is:

Said the pot to the kettle, "get away blackface." (Sp: Dijo la sarten a la caldera, quitate alla ojinegra.)

- Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, Don Quixote de la Mancha, 1605, 1615
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Old Nov 15, 2006 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Greenlight,Nov 15 2006, 09:31 PM
Pots and kettles were made of heavy cast iron when this term was "coined".
It's not a term; it's a saying.
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 05:50 AM
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To the hot place, all of you!!!! There is some serious hair-splitting going on in here.

If you want to get super specific its not a saying either it's a phrase or adage. Using the word "saying" as a noun is not the most proper engrish you can use. It does exist as a noun at m-w.com, but....they suggest you use another word like adage or phrase
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Old Nov 16, 2006 | 06:32 AM
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It's like the microwave calling the magnetic cooking surface "old technology."
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