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Qwerty Query: Why Do We Still Type This Way?

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Old May 22, 2006 | 10:42 PM
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How much more work is it to relearn the new keyboard compared to spending that same time practicing on your current one to improve our speed?

One of the most expensive things a company can do is throw away all the years of experience it currently profits from, in the name of "a better way." Every new MBA thinks everyone else is stupid, and every idea they have is gold. The sad truth is, an MBA just means the person spent a few years NOT learning how businesses work, but how to get another piece of paper. IMHO, the most expensive six words in a company is "we just hired a new MBA."
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Old May 23, 2006 | 01:04 AM
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You'll never find the optimal solution to a problem if you're only looking at one dimension. If you wish to blindly state that all new ideas that claim to be better are costly and therefore bad then you're not going to get very far.

Every new venture requires investment whether it be in capital, deferral of income, resource commitment..... etc. Finding a balance between the forecasted revenue and investment required is what makes businesses successful.

Want examples?

Look at how Apple revolutionised the home computer market a few years back by changing from the industry-wide target of high performance at a low cost to an aesthetic focus.

Or what about the abolishment of human operated machinery for automated equipment in steel product manufacturing. Millions of dollars have been invested in installing infrastructure and equipment despite the large amount of capital already invested in machinery.

Ask some of the older draftsmen why they're in the unemployment line and they'll bitch to you about how CAD was slowly introduced as the new way to do things even though when the technology was first made available noone knew how to use it. These days if you don't have CAD users in your drafting firm you can't even dream of competing with the market.

I digress. There is no need to "throw away" current equipment and make change overnight. Changes like these need to be introduced at the training level rather than the top line and the learning curve can dictate whether or not that company gets left behind in the potential industry revolution.
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Old May 23, 2006 | 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Austblue,May 23 2006, 01:04 AM
Ask some of the older draftsmen why they're in the unemployment line and they'll bitch to you about how CAD was slowly introduced as the new way to do things even though when the technology was first made available noone knew how to use it. These days if you don't have CAD users in your drafting firm you can't even dream of competing with the market.
i agree with everything you said and understand this part here but thats not exactly compleately true....but obviously some companies benefit from it and some dont...everyone uses cad in drafting now and alota places still use hand drafting. At LSU were taught to draft by hand for the first year and parts of the remaining four years. CAD is a great program and all but nothing beats the artistic quality and detail you can put into hand drafting.....

just my two cents but i understand what your saying and your right......i had just posted the keyboard thinking oh look interesting ways to type not so how do companies work lol
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Old May 23, 2006 | 07:46 PM
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I learnt hand drafting before CAD too. I also learnt how to calc forces/moments/shear etc. by hand even though in the industry much of it is done by programs. Reason for this is to start with the basics and understand the principles and wrt drafting doing it by hand teaches you an appreciation of the detail you may not pick up when you're whizzing through a CAD job.
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Old May 23, 2006 | 10:02 PM
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I'm quite happy with my 150 wpm.
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Old May 24, 2006 | 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Austblue,May 22 2006, 09:04 PM
"6 of the most expensive words a company can use are: We've always done it that way."

There's no reason why it couldn't be introduced to new computer users. How difficult would it be to make a keyboard that could display both/either of the layouts?
You're already typing on one, change your windows setting to this new fantastic way and pop your keys off and move them around.
My guess you aren't going to do it, why not are you afraid of change? In fact now that you are such a proponet start the change now and do it. Stop readin right now and start moving those keys around. I won't hold my breath


Basically this is bullshit though. Why? Easy, people can type at rates around 212 words per minute. Maybe faster that's just the fastest I've found. Are you typing that fast? No? Why not? It can't be because your keyboard layout because others are doing it. Rather than the stupid attitude of "its the keyboard layout" is it because you're too lazy to work at getting your speed up. Do you practice with a typing program often? Not an insult I'm too lazy too, but until you hit speeds near there "improving the keyboard" isn't going to speed you up at all. Why because your still going to occasionally look at the keys, screw up and think inbetween strokes/words.

Bottom line the current keyboard allows speeds faster than most humans bother trying to acheive until you get near that rate you ain't going to see squat for improvement.

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Old May 24, 2006 | 04:53 AM
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OH I forgot. Forbes is obviously lacking long term memory. We can all see that it would take years maybe a decade or two to convert everyone to this "better way". Maybe they should read their own articles. We wont be typing in 20 years we'll be thinking. We alrerady have interfaces that change brainwaves into words faster than we can type now, they are still in the design phase but the proff of concept is done. It might have been a good idea way back when but now it would just be a waste.
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Old May 25, 2006 | 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by exceltoexcel,May 24 2006, 10:43 PM
You're already typing on one, change your windows setting to this new fantastic way and pop your keys off and move them around.
My guess you aren't going to do it, why not are you afraid of change? In fact now that you are such a proponet start the change now and do it. Stop readin right now and start moving those keys around. I won't hold my breath


Basically this is bullshit though. Why? Easy, people can type at rates around 212 words per minute. Maybe faster that's just the fastest I've found. Are you typing that fast? No? Why not? It can't be because your keyboard layout because others are doing it. Rather than the stupid attitude of "its the keyboard layout" is it because you're too lazy to work at getting your speed up. Do you practice with a typing program often? Not an insult I'm too lazy too, but until you hit speeds near there "improving the keyboard" isn't going to speed you up at all. Why because your still going to occasionally look at the keys, screw up and think inbetween strokes/words.

Bottom line the current keyboard allows speeds faster than most humans bother trying to acheive until you get near that rate you ain't going to see squat for improvement.
Excel don't be a goose. Read my post and take it in and understand it before you spout your crap at me.

According to your super theory making tools easier to use isn't necessary if they aren't being operated within the top echelon of their field. Am I correct in making this translation? So are you saying that because Button could go faster in your stock S2000 then turboing it is useless because you haven't explored its stock potential? Great logic, mate

p.s. I'm an engineer so I more or less only type on this forum and occasionally a couple of others. The rest of my typing is done by my secretary. My $$$$ income doesn't hang in the balance of the speed she can type so for all I care she can choose whichever format she likes. But if it did then I'd be rational about it (something which apparently escapes some people.) My approach wouldn't be to take her qwerty off her and force her to start again but rather focus on new recruits being able to use it and integrate the new tool over time.

I don't understand why I had to go that far into detail to illustrate that its not as black and white or on and off as you make it seem.
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Old May 25, 2006 | 01:49 PM
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There is no improvement in speed using this technique unless your at the upper levels of typing. It is black and white. So I have no idea what you're complaining about.

There is no comparison between supercharging our cars and technique however if you want you can adapt it I guess.

I install a supercharger yet never drive faster or quicker than when it was stock.

Is it worth 7k if you aren't going to use it? Nope. If you're not at the top you're not going to see any gains at all using this system. Why you don't see that I have no idea.



The tool hasn't been changed it only moves the keys it is not easier to push a key it only means you don't move your fingers quite as far for the most common ones. However that isn't going to improve your speed if you suck at typing.

I don't understand why I need to explain something so simple.

It is black and white unless you're at the upper echalon and your secetary probable isn't much faster than 100 wpm if that, so she ain't there either.
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Old May 25, 2006 | 03:10 PM
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"Why," Daggett asked, "aren't my grandchildren learning to type on a keyboard that is 28 percent faster and won't lead to carpal tunnel syndrome?"
If its black and white then show me the figures that dispute this ^^^

How can you say "the tool hasn't been changed it only moves the keys" That's like saying the sky isn't blue its sky blue!

There is no comparison between supercharging our cars and technique however if you want you can adapt it I guess
Yes there is. When you attempt to drive your car as fast as possible there are two things that limit you. The first is your ability and the second is the cars. Same goes for typing, first limitation is your typing skill second limitation demonstrated here is the layout of the keys.

As I already stated, if you're not relying on your typing speed then its not an issue. I thought I was pretty clear about that when I used my secretary as an example but according to you're closing line you didn't let that sink in to your melon either.

That's my opinion. If you don't like it you can wipe your ass with it for all I care but I'm done

Cheers.

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