Incorrect, the difference in cars is ONE point that I made. It's one point that all of "you" took off on. I also mentioned *when* and *where* the cops set up their speed traps as well as the fact that many cops have *quotas*. I had also previously made the point that driving is a priviledge, not a right. The point is that if everyone is speeding, no one single person actually deserves a ticket. I have never known Europe to have a reputation for numerous and/or serious accidents. Have you?

Jeff

 

So where did you mention that drivers are the important part?

Your point was that if everyone was speeding, the person in the sports car does not deserve the ticket, any of the other guys do. Maybe you should review your posts?

Well, being from Europe (although I now live in Canada), I can say yes, there are numerous/serious accidents over there. Do you honestly think that they do not have serious car accidents over there?

I have driven quite a bit in Europe, have you? Do you know where the most dangerous hiway in the world is...Europe (Spain or Portugal, I can't remember which). Just because they are more aware of speeders (in SOME locations) there does not make them better drivers in general (no offense to the Europeans out there, I am sure you will agree that you have your share of good AND bad drivers as we do).

 

Pardon me, but this thread is NOT like teaching a pig to sing. It's more like a pissing contest with a skunk. NOBODY WINS, AND EVERYBODY COMES AWAY SMELLING BAD.

That's all I have to say

Good night, Duffer

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again.. "driving is a priviledge, not a right".

I also said that I believe the "real danger is the person doing 55 in the left lane when everyone else is doing 75."

I also said that "I will choose to be surrounded by drivers from that area [NY/NJ/CT] than any other area in a heartbeat. They are aware of their surrounds and they are not driving 'in a vacuum' - as do many of the '"slow = good" drivers you favor."

These quotes are on the 2nd page of this thread.

And no, I never said that "everyone else deserves a ticket except for the person in the sports car", you need to go back and do some reading as well. What I did say though was that all else equal, the sports car is LESS deserving of a ticket than say, an Explorer.

You see, there is a direct correlation here between my statements about 'driving in a vacuum' and 'sitting in the left lane at 55 when everyone else is doing 75', and the post on USA TODAY about European drivers that: "simply drive attentively and according to traffic conditions" where there are: "No left-lane dawdlers; frequent use of turn signals" which results in: "not much weaving in and out of traffic."

Hey - don't tell it to me, tell it to the writer and the editor at USA TODAY.

Jeff

[QUOTE]Originally posted by matrix
[B]So where did you mention that drivers are the important part?

 

Here's one more article... from NBC... for all those of you who actually tried to use the argument that "SUVs drive the same as any sports car, and therefore should require no difference in speed limitation":

http://www.nbc4.com/consumer/1244148/detail.html


Enjoy..

 

And to think I waded through all this crap just to see a pic of Kashmir lol (my aunt actually is kashmiri)

Anyway, dude, Jeff, listen - We understand what you are saying. We don't agree. Get it? Good.

Warren, Mav, et al. guys, you're above this hellloooo! You stooped to his level and got him even more ticked (thank you!)

"Driving is a priviledge, not a right." To some extent, that's true.

So chill out already. You want to drive fast? Go to the track.

Jeff, seriously, you're not making yourself look too good right now. I'm only 20, and believe me, I've had my fair share of speeding tickets. We all have our stories, we all have our reasons. To think what's happened to you or me is happening to everyone is ignorance, and you know that. It's not about the cops, it's not about the cars. Yea, it's about money. But they can't say it's the money. They'll talk about accident's and fatalities, etc. If we want them to put down their guns, we have to take away their bullets. Why don't you petition for much, much more rigid license req's? We need real drivers, with real driver's education. We need women to stop looking at themselves in the mirror and we need guys to stop driving with one hand at 12 o'clock and their seats reclined to the floor (not profiling, it's just a common thing you and i both see).

Try to lay off your SHIFT key too.

This thread is going to get locked or deleted if you continue like this

 

I do agree that speed traps and the officers on speed patrol have significantly increased since the recession began in late summer of 2000. I also agree that someone in a sports car (especially a red one) is likely to be singled out in a group of cars going a bit over the limit. This has happened to me. The problem is currently the worst I that I have seen it and I've been driving since 1964.

The quotas have got to go and I mean nationwide.

 

You're damn right they do.

Jeff

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by yogi
[B]

So chill out already. You want to drive fast? Go to the track.

I'm only 20, and believe me, I've had my fair share of speeding tickets.

 

I wish this discussion hadn't turned sour

I think the main point is that the system is flawed. More rigorous driver training would allow speed limits to be increased and cops would be able to use discretion more wisely. Stricter licensing requierments for senior citizens would be good also - a 90 year old man that is half blind and senile can still get a license. The reduction in cognative skills is a greater risk than his poor vision, however there is no driver test for people at that age (except I think in Florida?). In fact I will no longer ride in the car with a driver over 70 after a very terrifying experience I had where we were nearly plowed over by dump trucks.

the NMA is an organization geared towards these goals: better driver and enforcement education and changing the traffic laws to promote safe and efficient travel instead of revenue generation.

Around here in the bay area things are pretty fair. But the drivers are MUCH more courteous than in other parts of the country where I've driven. Few left lane putters, not as many blind/senile grandmas in the fast lane and higher speed limits than back in VA. The four times I've been pulled over here, two of the cops recommended I fight the ticket and three of them had long discussions with me about the car. They were more than friendly and we both acknowledge that they were just doing their jobs. Same went for the VA cops, they knew that I was well within the car's and my own abilities, just that the other people on the road cannot cope with someone moving faster than they are.