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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Quick2K' date='Jan 2 2009, 02:56 PM
BS. The World Record 5K is 12:37. To run it in 5:15 would require the runner to consistently run the course at a pace equaling 1:42 sec/Mile, which is more than twice as fast as the world record mile time. You must have some fast runners on your team.


When he says "5:15 pace", I'm pretty sure he means "a pace that would result in running one mile in 5 minutes and 15 seconds." Since a 5K is about 3.1 miles, that means that they'd run a 5K in a total of about 16 minutes & 15 seconds.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mxt_77' date='Jan 2 2009, 01:30 PM


When he says "5:15 pace", I'm pretty sure he means "a pace that would result in running one mile in 5 minutes and 15 seconds." Since a 5K is about 3.1 miles, that means that they'd run a 5K in a total of about 16 minutes & 15 seconds.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 12:36 PM
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I agree with the people that said to practice on the course. If possible, run even further than that so when it comes time for the test, you won't be thinking about how long it is, but how short it is. Train alone as well, because if the test is with a group, you can draft a little off of other people. Good luck.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 12:36 PM
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sounds like a military thing.

i'm retired but here's how I managed my troops when i was in.

if they were winded while taking the PT test, they needed sprint-based training

if they were out of energy or cramping up, they needed endurance-based training


IMHO the time to start getting ready for the next PT test starts the day after you took the last one.

I'm not expert, but I enjoyed outrunning 18 year olds.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 12:43 PM
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I think I'll be fine but it will probably be the most boring run on earth. I have the option to take it the 20th of january but I'm opting to take it the 9th to get it out of the way so my scholarship gets locked in
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by xxForgedxx' date='Jan 2 2009, 12:56 PM
When I was in basic training moving on to AIT we went from Missouri to Mississippi in the summer. When others were adding 1-2 minutes to there two mile time because of the change in weather I added I think 15 seconds and that was about it. I think I am one who adapts very well to different conditions and I think I have been running enough til now that running outdoors on a harder surface wouldn't affect me that much. I am not worried about the surface, my legs are tough I am worried about the cold and how much going from room temp dry air to 39 degrees would do

Should I run outside? or should I run on the track? I heard it's 16 laps for two miles which means it's got a lot of turns.
You should run in as close to identical conditions as you possibly can. Eg, on a long straight concrete stretch and then turn around and head back. I wouldn't run regularly for long distances on concrete, but you should do some.

During high school I ran distance and played soccer (both in city league and school). I'd come into track season in very good shape but having not run on cement/concrete for nearly 9 months. Put me on a dirt track on the first day of track practice and I could run a 5:30 which went down as track season progressed. On the urban jungle (concrete/cement) I was usually practically lame by the end of the first week of slow paced endurance work. Different strokes for different folks... switching from mud & grass to cement & concrete was brutal on me, may not be for you. I've had military friends who've seized up halfway through the run due to shin splints and fail. They're in good enough shape they just never run on concrete. Other people aren't as phased by it much if at all.

My advice would be to run half a mile at a steady pace, say 7:30 since that's what you're running now. Do that every other day or at least a few times before your PT and see how you feel. Make sure you warm up especially since its so cold.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by xxForgedxx' date='Jan 1 2009, 08:40 PM
I have to take a PT test on the 9th. I need to run two miles in 16:36 for my age group and it will be outside in PA. The run is a straight concrete sidewalk mile, turn around and run on the same side back. Info for ref:

-I am running on a treadmill, my most recent time was 15:23 on a brand new super high tech treadmill (which I hope is accurate minus the terrain smoothness but the sidewalk is pretty smooth)

-I am wondering, to improve my two mile time FAST should I run as fast as I possibly can the last quarter mile on the treadmill to improve? I am going to run tomorrow, Sunday and Tuesday and then have a 2 day rest of everything for the run next Friday.

-I know I am beating my time by en entire minute on a treadmill but I am worried that variables such as my paranoia, the weather/running outside will force me to tack on time.

-I get very nervous for PT tests even though I have never failed one in my life (knock on wood) but I am wondering if I get into the high 14:00s (14:50) or so if I should feel confident that I can easily pass the run outside so what do you think?

I have the choice to run on an indoor track but I am told that the air is very dry and sucks more than running outside where it may be cold but the air is flowing. I am choosing to run every other day because I am nursing shin splints, if I have enough time in between runs they don't bother me much otherwise I'd be running daily until that bitch.
I compete in about 10 to 12 triathlons a year, mostly Olympic distance and Half-Iron distance races, and for the last four years or so I have a triathlon coach.

You haven't given a lot of information is the post. I don't know what your age group is. Moreover, most run training (and bike training for that matter) today is more focused on heart-rate, lactic thresholds and a combination of aerobic and anaerobic workouts than speed. But assuming you are in relatively good shape I might suggest the following workouts--which are somewhat condensed workouts that one might do if he or she were trying to improve his or her speed in a triathlon. First, don't change too much in your training at this point--you might as well dance the dance that brought you to the dance. I personally think that intense training on a treadmill is not really worthwhile, but since that's how you started to train, I wouldn't necessarily change it.

There are two principles to follow to run faster: (1) build endurance first; (2) work on speed next. If you want to run two miles at race pace, i.e., 8:18's, then it might be a good idea to build up to a comfortable pace and run say three or four miles. Shoot for a minute to 90 seconds slower per mile than the pace you are targeting. Before running, warm up for 10 minutes at a slow jog and cool down for 10 minutes at a slow jog. Stretch before and after running. Do this workout on Saturday...you might want to try this outside since you are going at a pace slower than your target pace and it will help you to get used to running outside?

On Sunday, work in some speed work into your run...interval training is a great way to build speed. Many serious triathletes by the way do a light speed workout as a buildup in the days before a race so don't think that you will tire yourself out. Your schedule has more than enough recovery time built into it. This interval workout would involve say a three mile run...first stretch and then run easy for 10 minutes before doing the run...throw in a few 50 yard sprints at less than 100 percent speed. Then after you are warmed up, run say 5 minutes easy and 1 minute at your target speed...repeat for three miles and then run 10 minutes as an easy cool down. Stretch after running.

I would then run easy to moderate on Tuesday, again at a pace slower than your target pace. Start and finish with a 10 minute jog to warm up and cool down, and stretch before and after running. I would also run easy on Wednesday, just a slow job. Give yourself a 5 minute warm up and cool down, and again stretch before and after running. One day off for rest should be more than sufficient. This is a little personal, but I don't like taking more than one day off between runs.

On the day of your test, stretch and warmup for 10 minutes with an easy jog and throw in a couple of 50 sprints (between 3 and 5) at no more than 50% of top speed.

Good luck.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 01:04 PM
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by xxForgedxx' date='Jan 2 2009, 12:56 PM
When I was in basic training moving on to AIT we went from Missouri to Mississippi in the summer.
I also made the transition from MO to MS for the army. It was a little different for me, because I actually lost time on my 2 mile run. I suspect it was because it wasn't 15 degrees outside in MS, like it was in MO.

BTW, did you run on the golf course and see any alligators?

I also have a PT test coming up at the end of Feb. I never really do any extra running to prepare. Most of the time I cross around 16:00 or so. But, I am a slender guy (as my mother-in-law LOVES to remind me) so maybe that is it.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by s2steve' date='Jan 2 2009, 06:12 PM
I also made the transition from MO to MS for the army. It was a little different for me, because I actually lost time on my 2 mile run. I suspect it was because it wasn't 15 degrees outside in MS, like it was in MO.

BTW, did you run on the golf course and see any alligators?

I also have a PT test coming up at the end of Feb. I never really do any extra running to prepare. Most of the time I cross around 16:00 or so. But, I am a slender guy (as my mother-in-law LOVES to remind me) so maybe that is it.
Golf course in Gulfport? We ran around it but I never saw any LIZZIDS
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