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Originally Posted by cthree,Feb 17 2009, 02:59 PM
You think nobody knows you're wearing a cheap-ass suit?
Look, the only reason to put on a suit is to make a good first impression. I realize that making a good first impression isn't important to a recent grad going to an interview but bear with me.
When you put on an awesome suit you become king of the world. You know you look good and because of that you will reek of confidence and that demands respect. You'll be cool and comfortable, your posture will improve, you'll sit chest out shoulders back and be fluid because you know you don't have a bad side rather than guarded and unsure.
When you feel that way about yourself others will feel that way about you. If you can only afford to buy one suit and one shirt then fine, just get one but make sure that when you put it on you feel like you've got a big "S" on the front because that is what it's for. You're making a statement about how you feel about yourself and you can't expect anyone to feel better about you that you do. If you show up like the King of Spades then for that time, at least until you f**k it up, you are "the man". The suit projects confidence and self assurance inward and you, in turn, project it outward to those you are with by looking, acting and sounding like you know WTF you are talking about.
Don't forget about the rest of the package. The hair is critical. Get a proper haircut and get a manicure.
The clothes make the man and your $299 suit is fooling nobody, least of all yourself and that's the most important part.
Look, the only reason to put on a suit is to make a good first impression. I realize that making a good first impression isn't important to a recent grad going to an interview but bear with me.
When you put on an awesome suit you become king of the world. You know you look good and because of that you will reek of confidence and that demands respect. You'll be cool and comfortable, your posture will improve, you'll sit chest out shoulders back and be fluid because you know you don't have a bad side rather than guarded and unsure.
When you feel that way about yourself others will feel that way about you. If you can only afford to buy one suit and one shirt then fine, just get one but make sure that when you put it on you feel like you've got a big "S" on the front because that is what it's for. You're making a statement about how you feel about yourself and you can't expect anyone to feel better about you that you do. If you show up like the King of Spades then for that time, at least until you f**k it up, you are "the man". The suit projects confidence and self assurance inward and you, in turn, project it outward to those you are with by looking, acting and sounding like you know WTF you are talking about.
Don't forget about the rest of the package. The hair is critical. Get a proper haircut and get a manicure.
The clothes make the man and your $299 suit is fooling nobody, least of all yourself and that's the most important part.
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Originally Posted by cthree,Feb 17 2009, 02:59 PM
You think nobody knows you're wearing a cheap-ass suit?
Look, the only reason to put on a suit is to make a good first impression. I realize that making a good first impression isn't important to a recent grad going to an interview but bear with me.
When you put on an awesome suit you become king of the world. You know you look good and because of that you will reek of confidence and that demands respect. You'll be cool and comfortable, your posture will improve, you'll sit chest out shoulders back and be fluid because you know you don't have a bad side rather than guarded and unsure.
When you feel that way about yourself others will feel that way about you. If you can only afford to buy one suit and one shirt then fine, just get one but make sure that when you put it on you feel like you've got a big "S" on the front because that is what it's for. You're making a statement about how you feel about yourself and you can't expect anyone to feel better about you that you do. If you show up like the King of Spades then for that time, at least until you f**k it up, you are "the man". The suit projects confidence and self assurance inward and you, in turn, project it outward to those you are with by looking, acting and sounding like you know WTF you are talking about.
Don't forget about the rest of the package. The hair is critical. Get a proper haircut and get a manicure.
The clothes make the man and your $299 suit is fooling nobody, least of all yourself and that's the most important part.
Look, the only reason to put on a suit is to make a good first impression. I realize that making a good first impression isn't important to a recent grad going to an interview but bear with me.
When you put on an awesome suit you become king of the world. You know you look good and because of that you will reek of confidence and that demands respect. You'll be cool and comfortable, your posture will improve, you'll sit chest out shoulders back and be fluid because you know you don't have a bad side rather than guarded and unsure.
When you feel that way about yourself others will feel that way about you. If you can only afford to buy one suit and one shirt then fine, just get one but make sure that when you put it on you feel like you've got a big "S" on the front because that is what it's for. You're making a statement about how you feel about yourself and you can't expect anyone to feel better about you that you do. If you show up like the King of Spades then for that time, at least until you f**k it up, you are "the man". The suit projects confidence and self assurance inward and you, in turn, project it outward to those you are with by looking, acting and sounding like you know WTF you are talking about.
Don't forget about the rest of the package. The hair is critical. Get a proper haircut and get a manicure.
The clothes make the man and your $299 suit is fooling nobody, least of all yourself and that's the most important part.
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Originally Posted by cthree,Feb 17 2009, 02:59 PM
You think nobody knows you're wearing a cheap-ass suit?
Look, the only reason to put on a suit is to make a good first impression. I realize that making a good first impression isn't important to a recent grad going to an interview but bear with me.
When you put on an awesome suit you become king of the world. You know you look good and because of that you will reek of confidence and that demands respect. You'll be cool and comfortable, your posture will improve, you'll sit chest out shoulders back and be fluid because you know you don't have a bad side rather than guarded and unsure.
When you feel that way about yourself others will feel that way about you. If you can only afford to buy one suit and one shirt then fine, just get one but make sure that when you put it on you feel like you've got a big "S" on the front because that is what it's for. You're making a statement about how you feel about yourself and you can't expect anyone to feel better about you that you do. If you show up like the King of Spades then for that time, at least until you f**k it up, you are "the man". The suit projects confidence and self assurance inward and you, in turn, project it outward to those you are with by looking, acting and sounding like you know WTF you are talking about.
Don't forget about the rest of the package. The hair is critical. Get a proper haircut and get a manicure.
The clothes make the man and your $299 suit is fooling nobody, least of all yourself and that's the most important part.
Look, the only reason to put on a suit is to make a good first impression. I realize that making a good first impression isn't important to a recent grad going to an interview but bear with me.
When you put on an awesome suit you become king of the world. You know you look good and because of that you will reek of confidence and that demands respect. You'll be cool and comfortable, your posture will improve, you'll sit chest out shoulders back and be fluid because you know you don't have a bad side rather than guarded and unsure.
When you feel that way about yourself others will feel that way about you. If you can only afford to buy one suit and one shirt then fine, just get one but make sure that when you put it on you feel like you've got a big "S" on the front because that is what it's for. You're making a statement about how you feel about yourself and you can't expect anyone to feel better about you that you do. If you show up like the King of Spades then for that time, at least until you f**k it up, you are "the man". The suit projects confidence and self assurance inward and you, in turn, project it outward to those you are with by looking, acting and sounding like you know WTF you are talking about.
Don't forget about the rest of the package. The hair is critical. Get a proper haircut and get a manicure.
The clothes make the man and your $299 suit is fooling nobody, least of all yourself and that's the most important part.
But ya know, you're absolutely correct. It's a great confidence booster and important for many scenarios. You wanna give off the impression of success to a client? How about a meeting with potential partners? How about interviewing for an executive position at a new company? etc
Those are great instances for getting a very pricey nice suit.
But telling someone looking for the first suit to spend $1,000?
Suits, just like other types of clothing have their own style and places where they're appropriate. You don't wear the same style suit to a meeting vs a funeral vs a wedding vs an interview, etc.
Really nice fancy suits, simply do not match the atmosphere for a entry-level position, it's just strange and out of place. It would catch my eye as odd if I walked through the office and saw a 20 something kid in an entry level position, tucked away in a cubicle, but wearing a $1,500 suit? Just odd.
I don't know of a single person that would look down upon a recent grad or an entry-level applicant with a "starter" suit ($200-$500). In fact, it's more appropriate for the position.
Telling someone to spend all of his $1,000 budget on one suit is foolish. Geez, have you been on in interview in the last decade? There are usually several interviews with the same employer, can you imagine going to 3 follow-up interviews wearing the same awesome suit?
If I was hiring I'd be more impressed with the applicant that came to each interview dressed neatly and appropriately (and not wearing the exact same $1,000 suit each time). Keep in mind that when hiring employers look for conservative and basic styling, not a "kick ass" brand name suit.
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In a way, I agree with cthree. If you buy nice clothes, you tend to act and feel more confident and people pick up on that.
HOWEVER, if you are already confident and have decent taste, you can also find suits that will do nearly as well for a lot less money. Only someone that spends a lot of time and money buying high-dollar clothes is going to know the difference. And, let's face it, most of us aren't dealing with people like that all the time.
I only own one suit because I don't require one on a regular basis. It's a medium weight blue suit, nicely finished and suited to my build. Retail was about $650. I have two ties and two shirts to change it up. All told, maybe $1000 retail for the suit, shirts, and ties. I actually only paid about $450 for the whole shooting match by watching for good sales. Tailoring afterwards for small tweaks is generally easy.
I always get complimented when I dress up, even compared to the guys that do it all the time and have quite a bit of money into their wardrobe. Why? Good taste and a balance of flash and subtlety (some would argue they're one and the same). A suit that fits properly and has a well-matched shirt, tie, and shoes is going to beat a high-dollar suit that wasn't properly tailored/fitted with a brand name tie and shirt every time.
You might LOOK expensive because of the brand but you just look a fool for having such poor taste in putting it all together.
In short, the package is what sells people, not the individual parts. I'd rather spend $500 on a suit and $300 on the shirt and tie than $700 on the suit and $100 on the shirt and tie.
I'll also hire a confident guy in a $500 suit over a guy in a $1500 suit that is relying on his clothes to sell him.
They're usually pretty obvious anyways.
HOWEVER, if you are already confident and have decent taste, you can also find suits that will do nearly as well for a lot less money. Only someone that spends a lot of time and money buying high-dollar clothes is going to know the difference. And, let's face it, most of us aren't dealing with people like that all the time.
I only own one suit because I don't require one on a regular basis. It's a medium weight blue suit, nicely finished and suited to my build. Retail was about $650. I have two ties and two shirts to change it up. All told, maybe $1000 retail for the suit, shirts, and ties. I actually only paid about $450 for the whole shooting match by watching for good sales. Tailoring afterwards for small tweaks is generally easy.
I always get complimented when I dress up, even compared to the guys that do it all the time and have quite a bit of money into their wardrobe. Why? Good taste and a balance of flash and subtlety (some would argue they're one and the same). A suit that fits properly and has a well-matched shirt, tie, and shoes is going to beat a high-dollar suit that wasn't properly tailored/fitted with a brand name tie and shirt every time.
You might LOOK expensive because of the brand but you just look a fool for having such poor taste in putting it all together.
In short, the package is what sells people, not the individual parts. I'd rather spend $500 on a suit and $300 on the shirt and tie than $700 on the suit and $100 on the shirt and tie.
I'll also hire a confident guy in a $500 suit over a guy in a $1500 suit that is relying on his clothes to sell him.
They're usually pretty obvious anyways.
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There was an article in GQ or esquire a little while back, talked about the guy in thailand who makes suits for some of the presidents.
Including the cost of airfare and hotel for a week, it came out to about $2,000 for 2-3 custom suits, plus a couple custom shirts.
Including the cost of airfare and hotel for a week, it came out to about $2,000 for 2-3 custom suits, plus a couple custom shirts.
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Originally Posted by FWLBP,Feb 17 2009, 10:10 PM
Just curious, what is everyone's opinion on pin striped suits on a average height guy (~6 ft)? Also, what kind of tie would go well with this type of suit?
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Originally Posted by nightcrawler7188,Feb 17 2009, 10:31 PM
pinstripes on an average height guy would be appropriate. make sure the shirt you wear underneath is solid. tie should be striped or solid. choose either a solid or striped one and decide which you like better. i wouldn't wear any other types of ties with a pinstripe suit.
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Originally Posted by cthree,Feb 17 2009, 12:59 PM
Don't forget about the rest of the package. The hair is critical. Get a proper haircut and get a manicure .