[QUOTE]Originally posted by ttb
DaveZ, you seem to be hung up on the word ordinary.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by chicopaparazzi
Well, between Osama, Saddam and the "soldier"... i'd say the soldier is most fitting... i dont need to walk by the bookstore and see osama's dirty face or saddam with a doctor going through his mouth any more...

 

500 dead US soldiers is no big deal huh?

ttb are u a US citizen?

how about we throw your ass in iraq and make the number 501..

one more death shouldnt be a big deal. or maybe you can't handle such an ORDINARY job.

 

This is a very good question and the fact that throughout this entire thread there has been no mention of any other nation's army is a good demonstration that many of the posts in this thread come from a one-eyed patriotist's perspective. (Which of course bears no relevance on the value of soldiers, but rather on the original poster's perception as to the validity of such an award.)


Has anyone got a remotely unbiased opinion why this is the case? Could it possibly be that they view the abolishment of their way of life as severely as we would? Can we really stand here and be so hypocritical as to blame people for defending their soil without considering the possibility that there is a genuine patriotism on foreign soil just because we are convinced that they are living under tyranny and a government that rules with a respect through fear policy?

Dont get me wrong, I haven't heard or read anywhere enough information to make a judgement call on this but IMHO noone here has. No disrespect to anyone here including those that have served their leader, but we must learn from our ancestors mistakes and question everything that the media and our leaders choose to let us know.

Does anyone here really think that propaganda is a thing of the past? Everyone here could voice their speculative opinion regarding the motives of Bush, Saddam and Osama, but what we can be sure of is that we know nothing that but what they want us to know for a reason.

I hope that this thread remains civil because I'm looking forward to hearing some mature and logical responses to the questions that I've pondered over the past few months.

 

ttb,

KaiWang and a few other guy's on here have a point regarding your choice of words and/or opinion regarding the role that our soldiers play by blindly executing the orders that are handed down by those that we empower as citizens and voters. Sure there are plenty of soldiers that fight for nations all over the world but their lives are no cheaper than yours or mine.

I think that it would do you a great benefit to read this article that scratches on the surface of the harsh reality that is the death of a soldier. I hope that none of your children ever have to experience the ordinary slaughter that our soldiers faced at galipoli because it would be a lesson that I would not wish upon my enemies.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...INGBS6CGK61.DTL

 

Not to sound disrespectful or rude, or even ungratefull for the work the soldiers are doing over there. I understand what the armed forces are for, i appreciate them greatly. However this is there job....they take risks they get killed. I am not so sure that the entire country needs to be so utterly conserned with how hard they have it over there. Untill there is a draft i do not feel bad for anythign that happens to an armed forces individual, more so then someone dying in a car accident. People deing is not good...it does not make it any worse that they died over there. That is the risk they took when they singed up. And i know that alot of people say "we shouldnt be at war" name one war we shoudl have went too.....in every war there is a large segment of the population that believes we shouldnt go to war. End of the day they are doing there job...by no means heros all....the heros are the ones that truly shine thorugh and save someone from a burnign tank by draging them out with no help and risking there life....not just every person over there the way the media makes it out to be......ok flame away

 

In many societies of the past, the warriors of that society were held with the up most respect and honor.

Its a shame that nowadays in this country certain people look up to and admire football players more than the warriors that go out to fight and die for this country.

These people sit back and sneer at the warrior " hey its just their job.. they die on the job but that doesn't make them heros"

I can only imagine this. What if today no one signs up for the "job" of the military.

An army of arabs in the name of allah invades the US and butt fuks your entire family before slicing their heads off with a dull knife. I bet then you will appreciate the military and its warriors alot more and call them all heros.

 

I am not be littling them but i dont think that all people ikn the military are heros.....i know a great deal of people that joined because they ed up there life in every other aspect and it was either homelessness or that.....shoudl they be heros.....doubtfull. People that carry themselves in a way that deserves the title hero shoudl get it....tillman...there you go! he was a hero....but just being in iraq and dieng cause you were doing your job shouldnt automatically ge the title of hero. I work 90 plus hour s aweek and give like 40k to taxes a year that help support the armed forces budget does this make me a hero since i am the one the potential paid for the soldier to do his job.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ttb

 

i never said it was ordinary but alot of people have non ordinary jobs.....and there not heros.....At the ned of the day it is a JOB......and at what point does a job become ordinary......cops firefighters,...doctors? ordinary or not? secretarys...excutive magaments salesmen......ordinary or not?