[QUOTE]Originally posted by KaiWang
I can only imagine this.

 

it's just time magazine, not the nobel prize....

since when was time magazine so prestigious???

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by REDS2KCA
Well its not about you DAve Z 5 years in army does not qualify for: "Someone of great sign., importance, that has impacted the world the most, for better or worst."

 

ACLR8 take it easy mate, posts like that are going to get this thread shut down quick fast and in a hurry.

2000celica... some people may join the army as a job as you put it, but then there are many that serve as a duty to their country.

Comparing a soldiers service to that which you recieve at the local mechanic is a clear demonstration of the materialistic culture that you have foolishly submitted to. To believe for a second that getting your sports car back on the road is as important as defending your nation is blasphemy.

It is each and every one of us that determines who the real heroes and villains are but unfortunately there are a lot of people that submit to the public opinion and fall victim to the media. Do you really think that Time magazine bear any relevance as to whom you view as a hero? I

From Dictionary.com....

Hero (n. pl. he

 

Thank you Austblue, for giving some logical perspective to this argument. For those on this board who think that what the men and women of the armed forces do is "ordinary" or a "joke," please consider the freedoms under which you live each and everyday. This freedom was not won through politicians on soapboxes or newscasters sitting behind their desks. Brave men and women, many of who CHOSE their profession, have fought and died so that the United States may exist, and in that existence grant the rights you enjoy.

Please read about my friend, Pfc. Jacob Fletcher, who was killed in Iraq. Yes, he is a hero in every sense of the word. For people to dishonor what he chose to do in life by trivializing the work of the U.S. Armed Forces, or politicizing the war and those who fight it is disgusting to me. Jacob fought for what he believed in, as did some of my other friends who have since returned. Jake, however, died while serving his county and doing what he believed to be the right thing. This had nothing to do with politics, left or right. It was a personal decision he made. A decision that many people cannot or will not ever make themselves. We are content to sit in our homes and allow others to protect our freedoms, all while bitching that we don't like what's going on thousands of miles away.

Jake said that he would die for the people of Iraq. He felt that strongly about what he was doing. He did in fact die for his beliefs, so YES, that makes him a hero. . . not just to me, or his other friends, but a hero to everyone who benefits from his work.
http://www.newsday.com/mynews/ny-livit1835...,2109648.column

This is real life, not a world made of Nerf, where everyone gets along and nobody gets hurt. From the beginning of time, armed conflict has been used as resolution to differences of opinion. Maybe in a perfect world there would be no need for this, but that's just not how life works today. Get used to it. Please, if you don't like what's going on in Iraq, say so. However, to trivialize what the men and women in the armed forces are doing everyday is pathetic and selfish. If you don't like what's going on, either work to actually change the situation (work on a campaign, sign up voters), or crawl under a rock and pray that the people for whom you hold so much contempt continue protecting you from the evils of the world, silently, seamlessly, and without asking for anything more than respect. Keep your hands clean and smile as others die for your right to bitch.

Finally, celicaspeed, your assessment of the makeup of our military is ridiculous. Joining the military as a way out of potential homelessness??? Are you kidding me? My college roommate recently returned from Iraq. . . and is now a Harvard MBA candidate. Yes, he graduated from one of the top institutions of higher learning with a 3.9 undergrad GPA and is now at Harvard - not exactly fitting of your description. His calling in life was to join the military and defend his country. For you to characterize him (or my father who served in Vietnam as an enlisted man

 

thanks happs22. couldnt of said it any better myself.

 

Suprised this thread didn't get locked.

 

me too

 

You know i am not saying all people join for those reasons, i am saying i know quite a few that did. I also know a few that joined just to "serve the country". These are the ones i have a GREAT deal of respect for, These are the ones more then happy to go over there and defend us, not the ones that bitch that it is an unjust war. I still and will always feel that not everyone in the military is a hero. Not to sound like a dick or anything because i do have friends that will do great things within the military, i also have friends that used it as a way out. I ask one simple question. If the military should be such a symbol of being a hero, or great person then why in the name of god is it one of the only jobs you dont "apply" for you just sing up for.....If it was truly that redeeming of a job then there would be no need to recruit people, people would flock to the military as a thing for redembtion and instant self gratification but they dont. I think anyone that gets mad at what i am saying is very dense. I never said i dont appreciate what they are doing, have done, or will do. I thank them for giving me all the freedoms i enjoy so much because i dont wanna go fight, however this does not make them all heros. If being in the military makes them all heros, then is iraqs military all hero as well.....or does that only go for the "good" militaries......the us?

 

and why would this thread get locked, seems EVERYONE is being respectful here.....