U.S Health Care System
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S2020 wrote: well, I'm trained as a physician (also have a degree in engineering). I am well aware of the contribution of US to technology and medicine.
do you want to go there?
here's a list. Laureates from US is pretty much in every year.
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/
True, S2020, there are a lot of names of people (not necessarily Americans, but people who resideand work in America) who are Nobel Laureates. Going back to 1995, and counting double or triple each year for wins that went to several people in one year, there were 17 Americans, 4 Brits, 3 Australians, 1 Swede, 1 Swiss and 1 German Nobel Laureate for Physiology or Medicine. However, the debate is about whether in terms of health care outcomes, is the U.S. doing as well as other countries? The answer to that is no. And clearly, having a good record in research doesn't translate to delivering the goods to all of your citizens. You also are well aware that the results of research are shared internationally among scientists, so this does not at all prove that medical care in the U.S. is better than anywhere else in the world.
do you want to go there?
here's a list. Laureates from US is pretty much in every year.
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/
True, S2020, there are a lot of names of people (not necessarily Americans, but people who resideand work in America) who are Nobel Laureates. Going back to 1995, and counting double or triple each year for wins that went to several people in one year, there were 17 Americans, 4 Brits, 3 Australians, 1 Swede, 1 Swiss and 1 German Nobel Laureate for Physiology or Medicine. However, the debate is about whether in terms of health care outcomes, is the U.S. doing as well as other countries? The answer to that is no. And clearly, having a good record in research doesn't translate to delivering the goods to all of your citizens. You also are well aware that the results of research are shared internationally among scientists, so this does not at all prove that medical care in the U.S. is better than anywhere else in the world.
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Shareall wrote: I also thought there was something about Quebec using a two-tiered system
There was a recent case where someone who had to wait for surgery took the Quebec govt to court, arguing that it had an obligation to pay for timely treatment. The Supreme Court agreed, but this could mean that the Quebec Govt either must pay for private treatment in a timely fashion (that is, with medical facilities that have opted out of the system) or shorten wait times. This has added impetutus to the efforts of governments to shorten the wait times, but has not, so far, resulted in a two-tiered system.
There was a recent case where someone who had to wait for surgery took the Quebec govt to court, arguing that it had an obligation to pay for timely treatment. The Supreme Court agreed, but this could mean that the Quebec Govt either must pay for private treatment in a timely fashion (that is, with medical facilities that have opted out of the system) or shorten wait times. This has added impetutus to the efforts of governments to shorten the wait times, but has not, so far, resulted in a two-tiered system.
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1/2 of my living room, roughly 180sq feet
Sliding door to balcony
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TV in other half of the room
Access to bathroom
Minutes from the hospital, fast access to many other medical clinics
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Perfect for Americans wanting to move to Canada to take advantage of healthcare. For additional cost I will also offer my hand in marriage to ensure healthcare coverage. (Note: If you are a male, marriage cost will increase exponentially)
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Originally Posted by HondaGal,Jan 14 2008, 07:00 PM
Whatever you want to call it. The buses are full from Saskatchewan people heading to Alberta, and paying for their MRI's and their operations. I am not as intelligent as the rest of the people, in the redneck city of Regina.
But I am smart enough to check the dictionary. Two-tier health care is a form of national health care system that is used in most developed countries. It is a system in which a guaranteed public health care system exists, but where a private system operates in parallel competition. The private system has the benefit of shorter waiting times and more luxurious treatment, but costs far more than the public one for patients. Thus there are two tiers of health care, one for the public at large and another for those who can afford to pay for better care. Some advanced countries in the world have two-tier primary health care to varying degrees. In Canada, the Healthcare Act prohibits private for profit healthcare, but in Quebec, where it is officially illegal, it is in practice.
I doubt that folks here appreciate being talked down to. This thread is heading to the
political forum
BTW, are you in Film Mr Zeiss
But I am smart enough to check the dictionary. Two-tier health care is a form of national health care system that is used in most developed countries. It is a system in which a guaranteed public health care system exists, but where a private system operates in parallel competition. The private system has the benefit of shorter waiting times and more luxurious treatment, but costs far more than the public one for patients. Thus there are two tiers of health care, one for the public at large and another for those who can afford to pay for better care. Some advanced countries in the world have two-tier primary health care to varying degrees. In Canada, the Healthcare Act prohibits private for profit healthcare, but in Quebec, where it is officially illegal, it is in practice.
I doubt that folks here appreciate being talked down to. This thread is heading to the
political forum
BTW, are you in Film Mr Zeiss
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Hey I'm kind of digging Zeiss' persistence! I think he has also made some valid points on lots of items, without bashing the US. My folks are American, I'm a US and will likely end up living there someday and feel more patriotic towards the US than Canada (weird eh) so I'm plenty likely to get offended if I think there is some direct bashing of the USA going on. I think maybe some of the responses indicate there was a perception that it was US bashing, when I don't think it was intended to be.
Then again, I could always be wrong...
Then again, I could always be wrong...
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Originally Posted by HondaGal,Jan 14 2008, 04:00 PM
Whatever you want to call it. The buses are full from Saskatchewan people heading to Alberta, and paying for their MRI's and their operations. I am not as intelligent as the rest of the people, in the redneck city of Regina.
But I am smart enough to check the dictionary. Two-tier health care is a form of national health care system that is used in most developed countries. It is a system in which a guaranteed public health care system exists, but where a private system operates in parallel competition. The private system has the benefit of shorter waiting times and more luxurious treatment, but costs far more than the public one for patients. Thus there are two tiers of health care, one for the public at large and another for those who can afford to pay for better care. Some advanced countries in the world have two-tier primary health care to varying degrees. In Canada, the Healthcare Act prohibits private for profit healthcare, but in Quebec, where it is officially illegal, it is in practice.
I doubt that folks here appreciate being talked down to. This thread is heading to the
political forum
BTW, are you in Film Mr Zeiss
But I am smart enough to check the dictionary. Two-tier health care is a form of national health care system that is used in most developed countries. It is a system in which a guaranteed public health care system exists, but where a private system operates in parallel competition. The private system has the benefit of shorter waiting times and more luxurious treatment, but costs far more than the public one for patients. Thus there are two tiers of health care, one for the public at large and another for those who can afford to pay for better care. Some advanced countries in the world have two-tier primary health care to varying degrees. In Canada, the Healthcare Act prohibits private for profit healthcare, but in Quebec, where it is officially illegal, it is in practice.
I doubt that folks here appreciate being talked down to. This thread is heading to the
political forum
BTW, are you in Film Mr Zeiss
Public schools are available to all, private schools are available to those that can pay.
You know the condition of the US public school system.
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Originally Posted by s2000raj,Jan 14 2008, 09:44 PM
Sounds like the schooling system in the US.
Public schools are available to all, private schools are available to those that can pay.
You know the condition of the US public school system.
Public schools are available to all, private schools are available to those that can pay.
You know the condition of the US public school system.
Whether it's right or wrong, I can tell you where I'd be if I were a doctor with the intention of making myself rich.