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This may be centering aruond the photo radar movement, but the guys do have good point... I suggest we all join the NMA and seek to have this shit banned.

 

Well that means England is Facist and Socialist as well cause they've got them everywhere.

There's even a thread on S2ki somewhere about people burning and blowing up the English photo radar boxes.

 

Ya that was me who posted them, but idea is that which the United states is adapting to further impose harassment taxes

 

If you're not doing anything wrong, what's the problem?

 

So far we've even been able to keep red light cameras out of Cincinnati. It's been brought up a few times by the city council and the answer from the mayor (knowing public opinion) is "not without a vote from the people" and basically "how about we forget it since you know what the outcome of a vote would be".

 

I dont really see a problem. Like 8D said if your not doing anything wrong than whats the deal? It just enforces laws that have been around for ages.

 

The problem is that anything that is automatic can be tampered with. Who is to say that this photo radar is not intentionally miscalibrated in order to generate more tickets, and therefore revenue? Traffic citations are a major source of revenue for many police departments and the photo radar and red light cameras are just a cash machine for the cops.

The cameras at the stop lights are especially disturbing, as the excuse was supposed to be for safety, but in fact stop lights with photo ticketing are actually more prone to accidents. It was also found that many police departments change the lights from an average of 4 seconds of amber, to 2.5 seconds of amber in order to generate more revenue.

We have a Constitutional right in this country to confront our accusors, but how many people have the technical expertize to fight a computer generated ticket caused by police tampering? How can you even confront your accusor when you are downtown and your accusor is installed at the intersection of 116th and Meridian Street?

This is a slippery slope. It started with "victimless crimes," and it has progressed to "witnessless crimes." Crimes must have a victim and an accusor, or they are not crimes. Otherwise, you will one day find that you have no rights to defend yourself whatsoever.

 

I know of a left turn signal that is like that where I live. Pure BS. Thing is, ppl honk at me for not attempting to beat the yellow light...little do they know that they should really thank me for not letting their sorry a$$ get pwned by this BS.

 

I disagree.

Car and Driver did a story one time that cited studies of the use of red light cameras. They are very expensive and need to be paid for with revenue from tickets. The municipalities argued that they were putting them in for safety reasons and issued many tickets and brought in lots of money. Once the citizens figured out where the cameras were, they started being more careful and revenues dried up but the cameras were not paid for, so they shorten the yellow light durations to catch more people. The unintended consequence was an increase in the accident rate. What the city argued was to make the public safer was actually about money, and in a quest for it they made the roads more dangerous.

I have a built in distrust of many in law enforcement and motives. Courts are starving for money and get it by giving people tickets and getting them to plea to a lesser charge and pay a fine when they should not have been charged in the first place.

My wife is a former prosecutor in the City of Minneapolis. She told me she probably got 50 disorderly conduct cases a week which some person had flipped off a cop or used some foul language. Both are protected by the first amendment, and while laws exist on the books, they are rendered unenforceable by supreme court decisions (don't believe it? google Miller vs. California 1973, or "miller test" + "obscenity law") The tickets were handed out because some cops are nice people who want to protect and serve and others are insecure pricks who like to push people around and chase squirrels. Now as a prosecuter, my wife said if they were sophisticated enough to mention the Miller test and argue it to a judge, the case was tossed, but since most were idiots and prosecuters need to push up convictions to keep their bosses happy, it was easy to violate their constitutional rights and take a few hundred dollars from them. I find it highly objectionable that courts and police use power to push people around and take money from them for things that are not illegal and protected by the constitution. Most of these people don't have money to begin with.

You are either for liberties or you are ok with them being taken from you. Red light camera's should be illegal because you have a right to question your accuser. How do you cross examine a camera? They have been stuck down by courts in my state for just such reason.

 

Oh yeah, you are 100% perfect all the time.

It's not a matter of not doing anything wrong, they use these things in entrapment situations like changing the timing on the yellow light to guarantee more red light runners or putting the boxes up and then changing the speed limit downward just a few feet before the box, etc. etc.