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I agree with more strict police monitoring devices and checks, because when you know eyes are on you, you are less likely to perform a corrupt act.
Police hold some of the most powerful positions in America, with the least amount of regulations as weighed in proportion to their power.
The founding fathers of our country created a system of checks and balances within the govt to help reduce, as much as possible, the probability of corruption and power abuse.
With modern law enforcement, it is obvious that the system of checks and balances within the officers power is severly weakened, quite often an officer is free to do as he pleases, due to owning a badge.
The more accountable an officer is held to his actions, the less likely he is to use his power in an unlawful way.
Sure being a cop is a highly dangerous job and a huge service to society, but when a corrupt cop goes unchecked, he is not only a criminal, but he is far worse than the criminals he swore to fight, he has become the filth of society.
Police hold some of the most powerful positions in America, with the least amount of regulations as weighed in proportion to their power.
The founding fathers of our country created a system of checks and balances within the govt to help reduce, as much as possible, the probability of corruption and power abuse.
With modern law enforcement, it is obvious that the system of checks and balances within the officers power is severly weakened, quite often an officer is free to do as he pleases, due to owning a badge.
The more accountable an officer is held to his actions, the less likely he is to use his power in an unlawful way.
Sure being a cop is a highly dangerous job and a huge service to society, but when a corrupt cop goes unchecked, he is not only a criminal, but he is far worse than the criminals he swore to fight, he has become the filth of society.
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Originally Posted by Ruprecht,Feb 15 2008, 04:10 PM
As is ignoring data realities.
Most USA pennies are copper in color.
However, there is a year where pennies were issued steel in color.
Are ALL pennies copper in color? No.
But it is NOT illogical to assume that when you encounter the average penny, it will be copper in color. It does not guarantee it to be copper in color, it does not mean that ALL pennies are copper in color, but it indicates that a penny you encounter is much more likely to be copper in color, rather than steel.
It would be illogical to assume that you are just as likely to encounter a steel penny as a copper one.
It is illogical to assume that the cop you encounter will be a good cop. There are good cops, but they are limited to those new on the force that were inspired for reasons other than the general recruit. They are the steel pennies of the force. They exist, but few and far between. Once in, they do not last long. This is due to the engine and mechanics in the background, ...you either ignore the corruption you see around you (making you a bad cop), you join in on the antics (making you a bad cop), or you leave.
Most USA pennies are copper in color.
However, there is a year where pennies were issued steel in color.
Are ALL pennies copper in color? No.
But it is NOT illogical to assume that when you encounter the average penny, it will be copper in color. It does not guarantee it to be copper in color, it does not mean that ALL pennies are copper in color, but it indicates that a penny you encounter is much more likely to be copper in color, rather than steel.
It would be illogical to assume that you are just as likely to encounter a steel penny as a copper one.
It is illogical to assume that the cop you encounter will be a good cop. There are good cops, but they are limited to those new on the force that were inspired for reasons other than the general recruit. They are the steel pennies of the force. They exist, but few and far between. Once in, they do not last long. This is due to the engine and mechanics in the background, ...you either ignore the corruption you see around you (making you a bad cop), you join in on the antics (making you a bad cop), or you leave.
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Originally Posted by Ruprecht,Feb 15 2008, 04:10 PM
As is ignoring data realities.
Most USA pennies are copper in color.
However, there is a year where pennies were issued steel in color.
Are ALL pennies copper in color? No.
But it is NOT illogical to assume that when you encounter the average penny, it will be copper in color. It does not guarantee it to be copper in color, it does not mean that ALL pennies are copper in color, but it indicates that a penny you encounter is much more likely to be copper in color, rather than steel.
It would be illogical to assume that you are just as likely to encounter a steel penny as a copper one.
It is illogical to assume that the cop you encounter will be a good cop. There are good cops, but they are limited to those new on the force that were inspired for reasons other than the general recruit. They are the steel pennies of the force. They exist, but few and far between. Once in, they do not last long. This is due to the engine and mechanics in the background, ...you either ignore the corruption you see around you (making you a bad cop), you join in on the antics (making you a bad cop), or you leave.
Most USA pennies are copper in color.
However, there is a year where pennies were issued steel in color.
Are ALL pennies copper in color? No.
But it is NOT illogical to assume that when you encounter the average penny, it will be copper in color. It does not guarantee it to be copper in color, it does not mean that ALL pennies are copper in color, but it indicates that a penny you encounter is much more likely to be copper in color, rather than steel.
It would be illogical to assume that you are just as likely to encounter a steel penny as a copper one.
It is illogical to assume that the cop you encounter will be a good cop. There are good cops, but they are limited to those new on the force that were inspired for reasons other than the general recruit. They are the steel pennies of the force. They exist, but few and far between. Once in, they do not last long. This is due to the engine and mechanics in the background, ...you either ignore the corruption you see around you (making you a bad cop), you join in on the antics (making you a bad cop), or you leave.
Your point is well made but backwards. If all pennies are copper then that means all good cops are copper (as there are WAY more good cops then bad cops, give me a break), and the one year of steal pennies are the bad cops.
You just sound like someone who hates cops in general, you were probably a smart ass to one and received the penalty for it, now your ticked at all of them
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Originally Posted by Spec_Ops2087,Feb 15 2008, 09:26 PM
Why is it illogical to assume the cop you will encounter WILL be bad? Wtf are you talking about?
Your point is well made but backwards. If all pennies are copper then that means all good cops are copper (as there are WAY more good cops then bad cops, give me a break), and the one year of steal pennies are the bad cops.
You just sound like someone who hates cops in general, you were probably a smart ass to one and received the penalty for it, now your ticked at all of them
Your point is well made but backwards. If all pennies are copper then that means all good cops are copper (as there are WAY more good cops then bad cops, give me a break), and the one year of steal pennies are the bad cops.
You just sound like someone who hates cops in general, you were probably a smart ass to one and received the penalty for it, now your ticked at all of them
Hes speaking in form of statistics and probability, never did he say that either would represent the good or the bad, he only stated that there is a probability within the whole.
3/4 is a fraction equal to 0.75 of one, now argue me wrong on that...
Prove that all cops are infact good and corruption does not exist within them to a degree. Are you showing approval of corruption and abuse, sounds like it to me.
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Originally Posted by Spec_Ops2087,Feb 15 2008, 06:26 PM
Why is it illogical to assume the cop you will encounter WILL be bad? Wtf are you talking about?
Your point is well made but backwards. If all pennies are copper then that means all good cops are copper (as there are WAY more good cops then bad cops, give me a break), and the one year of steal pennies are the bad cops.
You just sound like someone who hates cops in general, you were probably a smart ass to one and received the penalty for it, now your ticked at all of them
Your point is well made but backwards. If all pennies are copper then that means all good cops are copper (as there are WAY more good cops then bad cops, give me a break), and the one year of steal pennies are the bad cops.
You just sound like someone who hates cops in general, you were probably a smart ass to one and received the penalty for it, now your ticked at all of them
Again, by good, I mean cops that are not crooked, that don't provide 'professional courtesies', that don't ignore violations by other cops, and of course, that don't sodomize you with a broomstick.
The few good cops are exceptions to the rule.
Good cops that join 'the force' (20% of enrollees is a way generous estimate) are driven out or converted. If you encounter a good cop, it is only because he has not been in 'the force' long enough to be driven away or converted.
You are quite correct regarding my feelings about cops. I cannot stand them. They are among the sickest and most depraved forms of humanity. And they carry a gun...good match huh? Many come in as bad people, others we cultivate with the engine in place.
And nope, I have never had any professional encounters with cops other than speeding tickets, last one of those was more than 11 years ago. Never been arrested, never wanted to be a cop, but unable to make the cut, etc. etc. I don't have family members in jail, or friends (close or not) involved with cop altercations.
I have met many cops in my life, heard many of their stories, and of course read the news.
I have my eyes open and I understand human nature.
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Originally Posted by Ruprecht,Feb 15 2008, 09:05 PM
To clarify my position, there very few good cops. VERY FEW good cops. Less than 1 per hundred.
Again, by good, I mean cops that are not crooked, that don't provide 'professional courtesies', that don't ignore violations by other cops, and of course, that don't sodomize you with a broomstick.
The few good cops are exceptions to the rule.
Good cops that join 'the force' (20% of enrollees is a way generous estimate) are driven out or converted. If you encounter a good cop, it is only because he has not been in 'the force' long enough to be driven away or converted.
You are quite correct regarding my feelings about cops. I cannot stand them. They are among the sickest and most depraved forms of humanity. And they carry a gun...good match huh? Many come in as bad people, others we cultivate with the engine in place.
And nope, I have never had any professional encounters with cops other than speeding tickets, last one of those was more than 11 years ago. Never been arrested, never wanted to be a cop, but unable to make the cut, etc. etc. I don't have family members in jail, or friends (close or not) involved with cop altercations.
I have met many cops in my life, heard many of their stories, and of course read the news.
I have my eyes open and I understand human nature.
Again, by good, I mean cops that are not crooked, that don't provide 'professional courtesies', that don't ignore violations by other cops, and of course, that don't sodomize you with a broomstick.
The few good cops are exceptions to the rule.
Good cops that join 'the force' (20% of enrollees is a way generous estimate) are driven out or converted. If you encounter a good cop, it is only because he has not been in 'the force' long enough to be driven away or converted.
You are quite correct regarding my feelings about cops. I cannot stand them. They are among the sickest and most depraved forms of humanity. And they carry a gun...good match huh? Many come in as bad people, others we cultivate with the engine in place.
And nope, I have never had any professional encounters with cops other than speeding tickets, last one of those was more than 11 years ago. Never been arrested, never wanted to be a cop, but unable to make the cut, etc. etc. I don't have family members in jail, or friends (close or not) involved with cop altercations.
I have met many cops in my life, heard many of their stories, and of course read the news.
I have my eyes open and I understand human nature.
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Originally Posted by AZDelt,Feb 15 2008, 08:20 PM
I'm curious where the numbers come from.
How many cockroaches are hidden in the walls when you see 4 of the scurry away as the light is turned on?
How many members of the Schutzstaffel were really good guys and it was a limited few that just 'gave the good ones a bad name'?
At the end of the day, you have to make the call. Is a cop a bad cop if he does not personally solicit a BJ as bond? Trooper Hooks Up BJ Note this quote in the article: "This police officer went ahead and told (all) of his co-workers, other police officers, and was bragging about it"
Yet he knows of this type and other indiscretions and fails to report it? He does not do it, but he silently condones it (and effectively supports it) by not reporting it.
Good cop or bad cop?
I am not saying that 99 in 100 cops will solicit a BJ, I am saying that 99 in 100 will ignore inappropriate or illegal acts by other cops (speeding or worse). To me this fosters the mindset. To me that is a bad cop.
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Originally Posted by Ruprecht,Feb 15 2008, 08:50 PM
The numbers are simply guesstimates.
How many cockroaches are hidden in the walls when you see 4 of the scurry away as the light is turned on?
How many members of the Schutzstaffel were really good guys and it was a limited few that just 'gave the good ones a bad name'?
At the end of the day, you have to make the call. Is a cop a bad cop if he does not personally solicit a BJ as bond? Trooper Hooks Up BJ Note this quote in the article: "This police officer went ahead and told (all) of his co-workers, other police officers, and was bragging about it"
Yet he knows of this type and other indiscretions and fails to report it? He does not do it, but he silently condones it (and effectively supports it) by not reporting it.
Good cop or bad cop?
I am not saying that 99 in 100 cops will solicit a BJ, I am saying that 99 in 100 will ignore inappropriate or illegal acts by other cops (speeding or worse). To me this fosters the mindset. To me that is a bad cop.
How many cockroaches are hidden in the walls when you see 4 of the scurry away as the light is turned on?
How many members of the Schutzstaffel were really good guys and it was a limited few that just 'gave the good ones a bad name'?
At the end of the day, you have to make the call. Is a cop a bad cop if he does not personally solicit a BJ as bond? Trooper Hooks Up BJ Note this quote in the article: "This police officer went ahead and told (all) of his co-workers, other police officers, and was bragging about it"
Yet he knows of this type and other indiscretions and fails to report it? He does not do it, but he silently condones it (and effectively supports it) by not reporting it.
Good cop or bad cop?
I am not saying that 99 in 100 cops will solicit a BJ, I am saying that 99 in 100 will ignore inappropriate or illegal acts by other cops (speeding or worse). To me this fosters the mindset. To me that is a bad cop.
The only difference is the Police are always ridiculed by the public and by people like you.
Like I said before, and perhaps I should say it more bluntly now, unless you're a cop and plan on doing something about it, you shouldn't complain. It's easy for you to bitch about it when you have absolutely no plan to resolve the issue.
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Originally Posted by GroovyNeilNeil,Feb 15 2008, 08:56 PM
It's easy for you to bitch about it when you have absolutely no plan to resolve the issue.
Unfortunately, I am not the Congress and I cannot sign the bill into law to enable this.
I can however spread the word, encourage thought and awareness and hopefully impact a few people that will in turn impact a few people.
In the end, we will all have our own beliefs and value system about this topic and discussion and the presentation of differing perspectives really is a good thing.
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Originally Posted by Ruprecht,Feb 15 2008, 11:05 PM
To clarify my position, there very few good cops. VERY FEW good cops. Less than 1 per hundred.
Again, by good, I mean cops that are not crooked, that don't provide 'professional courtesies', that don't ignore violations by other cops, and of course, that don't sodomize you with a broomstick.
The few good cops are exceptions to the rule.
Good cops that join 'the force' (20% of enrollees is a way generous estimate) are driven out or converted. If you encounter a good cop, it is only because he has not been in 'the force' long enough to be driven away or converted.
You are quite correct regarding my feelings about cops. I cannot stand them. They are among the sickest and most depraved forms of humanity. And they carry a gun...good match huh? Many come in as bad people, others we cultivate with the engine in place.
And nope, I have never had any professional encounters with cops other than speeding tickets, last one of those was more than 11 years ago. Never been arrested, never wanted to be a cop, but unable to make the cut, etc. etc. I don't have family members in jail, or friends (close or not) involved with cop altercations.
I have met many cops in my life, heard many of their stories, and of course read the news.
I have my eyes open and I understand human nature.
Again, by good, I mean cops that are not crooked, that don't provide 'professional courtesies', that don't ignore violations by other cops, and of course, that don't sodomize you with a broomstick.
The few good cops are exceptions to the rule.
Good cops that join 'the force' (20% of enrollees is a way generous estimate) are driven out or converted. If you encounter a good cop, it is only because he has not been in 'the force' long enough to be driven away or converted.
You are quite correct regarding my feelings about cops. I cannot stand them. They are among the sickest and most depraved forms of humanity. And they carry a gun...good match huh? Many come in as bad people, others we cultivate with the engine in place.
And nope, I have never had any professional encounters with cops other than speeding tickets, last one of those was more than 11 years ago. Never been arrested, never wanted to be a cop, but unable to make the cut, etc. etc. I don't have family members in jail, or friends (close or not) involved with cop altercations.
I have met many cops in my life, heard many of their stories, and of course read the news.
I have my eyes open and I understand human nature.
From how I see it, we only see the bad ones because the good ones are out doing all the work, like look at this example. You ever know that one dousche bag at work that never ever does any work and yet gets away with everything? On the other hand the good workers are busy busting their asses while the dousche bag sets the reputation for the rest. Its a numbers game bro, and in thiat sense I do think they need closer regulation.