Like i said, just what i heard

Just logon google and type in "freemason satanic" to get the satanic view, then just type in freemason you can learn more there than we can provide you.

 

http://www.masonicinfo.com/famous.htm

Where's all the Irishmen?

 

Hmmm, sounds like rumourmongering to me.

Fact is, Masons refer to the GGOTU, which is a generic term relating to the deity of your choice. It doesn't exclude any of the middle eastern religions (Christianity in all it's forms, Islam, Judaism etc) and in my understanding, accepts all religious creeds. Masonry certainly isn't inherently evil. It may be seen as threatening to certain exclusive ideologies, but that's more and issue for the practicers of the ideology than for Masons.

 

Well, I think it is a pretty safe bet that you are misinformed (or that I'm a secret PR guy for the Legions of Satan.) So are you saying that legendary paranoid-baiter and cynic Art Bell is somehow related?

 

I don't think I'd take the Satanic connection too seriously!

How about this overall view? :-

Masons draw their membership from key members within the community e.g. the professions, the wealthy, the artisans, the self made men and those who for whatever reason, might be thought of as influential. I suspect you would be unlikely to find many impecunious, unskilled labourers amongs their ranks. In any given geographical fairly local area there therefore exists a group of the 'key' people within that community who meet secretly at weekly intervals.

Masonry is an international organisation! The very highest ranks are said to be occupied by those holding high military positions. Now imagine some national or international catastrophe on a grand scale, where chaos and disorder reigns. Here we have a network of key citizens easily contacted and having ready made communication channels to other groups within the organisation!

Does this sound feasible? Is it a good thing that such a potentially powerful organisation should be so secretive? One of the previous links led to a site where the point was made that Masons numbered more successful people among their ranks historically, than their critics. Should we really be surprised?

 

I just thought, why not mention it, no one else has.. personally, i could care less what their organization does/does not do.. what it does/does not believe in..

but i do like the stone cutters rendition

and as for that bell guy or whatever, someone just sent me a link not too long ago, with an article.. why not post it right?? remember auss2000, i don't need a *real* reason to post and no, i don't consider it a rumor just another side to a story.

 

Thank you, we get the point. You heard something, you propagated it without first hand investigation. But apparently that's not a rumour .

You have 4 posts, 3 in this thread. Are you sure you are an S2000 enthusiast? Or are you a Freemason enthusiast?

 

aus,

Remember my first post on this board, you answered it, what was that 2 days ago?

and i didn't "propagate" it.. so ok, the catholic church finds it threatening.. in their eyes it IS satanic.. just because you know a few people that are masons, and are decent people doesn't over throw what the catholic church says. i'm not catholic, nor do i care who they locked up in past history.. just because something negative happened in history doesn't mean the people are still that way.. i mean look at the germans, would you consider them all nazis today?

All i was saying was that, that's what i heard.. its not propagating, i put one post up and its propagating?

and what makes you think you are 100% right

 

By 'propagate' and 'rumour mongering' I am referring to the act of regurgitating someone elses view without analysing it in ones own mind and investigating it personally. People say "That's how rumours get started" but what it really means is "That's a rumour".

I seriously feel that if you did do a bit of investigation into Freemasonry you'd find all sorts of secret agendas, some good, some you might deem to be not so good. But I can assure you that you won't find anything even remotely connected to the worship of Satan


The Catholic church has a long term habit of referring to anything which isn't in there interests as herectic. There are plenty of examples in history that show this. Saint Joan d'Arc (yes, canonized by the Catholic church) was burnt at the stake for heresy when here zealosy no longer served the church. And it was only recently that the Catholic church acknowledged and spoke out against the atrocities committed against Jews in the second world war. For this very reason I don't think it's fair to suggest something which the Catholic church considers 'herectic' should be considered 'Satanic' by the rest of the world.

Me neither! And I'm not a mason either.


Your analogy compares a nationality and a political party. This is not particularly relevant to comparing Catholicism in the past to Catholicism now. Maybe you should have compared the Nazi party of the '30's to that of the Neo-Nazis of today!

I'm not! I simply entered this discussion for the purpose of learning about something that I am interested in. Part of this process is sorting out the information from the misinformation. I really don't know the ins and outs, the motives and reasons, behind the Freemason brotherhood, but I know for sure that it's not satan worship.

And remember this fact. You can be a Catholic and be accepted as a Freemason (and are required to maintain your faith). The opposite isn't true.

 

Aus, according to my father's explanation the problem with Catholics becoming Masons is that Masons are required to keep certain secrets whilst Catholics are obliged (NOT obligated ) to confess secrets to the local priest.

If I understand him correctly then a Catholic can become a Mason but he has to somehow agree to not tell the priest these secrets. I don't understand how the Catholic confession process operates and I don't know whether this is possible or not but I do know that my father's lodge did have an ostensibly Catholic member and also a couple of jewish ones too.