WHITE SMOKE.. BELLS RINGING
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From: limerick
Originally Posted by MyBad,Apr 20 2005, 10:18 AM
Dude,
Don't you find the doctrine of exclusion to be destructive, polarising and, well...archaic? That doctrine will have a profound impact on the relationships of catholics and people of other religions.
If you would stop thinking selfishly that all you have to do is stick your head in the sand, you might understand the severity of this doctrine.
Don't you find the doctrine of exclusion to be destructive, polarising and, well...archaic? That doctrine will have a profound impact on the relationships of catholics and people of other religions.
If you would stop thinking selfishly that all you have to do is stick your head in the sand, you might understand the severity of this doctrine.
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Originally Posted by Officer_down,Apr 19 2005, 08:18 PM
I read a little about him, and he was a Nazi soldier, but upon the end of the war, he went to a seminary. I guess he had no choice in becoming a Nazi soldier at the time, but still...I wonder if he'd killed anyone back then.
That being said, I see this whole appointment as problematic, given the questionable activities (or lack thereof) by Pius XII during the war when the Church took no stand on the death camps after they had become publicly known.
That's awesome! 
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im not a catholic or anything but i want to know this
if the pope is ordained to be holy and all their actions are holy and whatever the catholic church is right..
so why does the catholic changes it view so often...
lets see. pope urban calling for kiling of muslim and retaking the holy land.
and the late john paul apologize for the middle east about urban's action back centuries ago...
how can you have a church that changes its view every so year and still have itself to be the so called only true religion.
if catholic church says non catholic will go to hell
and muslim says non muslim will go to to hell
and buddhist say non moral people will continue to suffer
then who's right?????
and i dont believe in the whole voting process thing when it comes to a religious leader and a position as the pope.
a pope should be chosen by the highest level of authority in the religion (hence god) and not made up by some old dudes...
why?? because u can force the old dude to vote for someone that is not meant to be pope and yet he's still recognize as a pope..
yes call me lost or whatever, but i've lost faith in all faith and prefer to be faithless.
i just believe in living a good life without guilt and immoral judgement
if the pope is ordained to be holy and all their actions are holy and whatever the catholic church is right..
so why does the catholic changes it view so often...
lets see. pope urban calling for kiling of muslim and retaking the holy land.
and the late john paul apologize for the middle east about urban's action back centuries ago...
how can you have a church that changes its view every so year and still have itself to be the so called only true religion.
if catholic church says non catholic will go to hell
and muslim says non muslim will go to to hell
and buddhist say non moral people will continue to suffer
then who's right?????
and i dont believe in the whole voting process thing when it comes to a religious leader and a position as the pope.
a pope should be chosen by the highest level of authority in the religion (hence god) and not made up by some old dudes...
why?? because u can force the old dude to vote for someone that is not meant to be pope and yet he's still recognize as a pope..
yes call me lost or whatever, but i've lost faith in all faith and prefer to be faithless.
i just believe in living a good life without guilt and immoral judgement
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Every year or so. Dude this last pope was in power over 20 years.
Wrong is wrong and the Catholic church has admitted they were wrong many times in the past.
The whole world being flat thing they admit they weren't on the right track with that one too.
You're setting the perfect example for me though. You don't believe in that so you believe in something else.
Good for you! That's what I've been saying all along. However if you then said I'm Catholic I would have to wonder why you would consider yourself catholic if you don't believe in the Catholic Doctrine.
Wrong is wrong and the Catholic church has admitted they were wrong many times in the past.
The whole world being flat thing they admit they weren't on the right track with that one too.
You're setting the perfect example for me though. You don't believe in that so you believe in something else.
Good for you! That's what I've been saying all along. However if you then said I'm Catholic I would have to wonder why you would consider yourself catholic if you don't believe in the Catholic Doctrine.
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St. Malachy Papal Prophecy
If true, this means that Pope Bendict XVI is the second to last Pope before the end of the world.
Malachy's Prophecies - The Last 10 Popes
1. The Burning Fire. PIUS X. 1903-1914. This Pope showed a burning passion for spiritual renewal in the Church.
2. Religion Laid Waste. BENEDICT XV. 1914-1922. During this Pope's reign saw Communism move into Russia where religious life was laid waste, and World War I with the death of millions of Christians who were carnage in Flanders Field and elsewhere.
3. Unshaken Faith. PIUS XI. 1922-1939. This Pope faced tremendous pressure from fascist and sinister powers in Germany and Italy, but he was an outspoken critic of Communism and Fascism which enraged Hitler.
4. An Angelic Shepherd. PIUS XII. 1939-1958. This Pope had an affinity for the spiritual world and received visions which have not been made public. Peter Bander says Pius XII "has emerged as one of the great Popes of all time," and he "was in the truest sense of the word an Angelic Pastor to the flock..."
5. Pastor and Mariner. JOHN XXIII. 1958-1963. John was a pastor to the world, much beloved, and the Patriarch of Venice. The connection to "mariner" is thus remarkable.
6. Flower of Flowers. PAUL VI. 1963-1978. Paul's coat-of-arms depicts three fleurs-de-lis, corresponding to Malachay's prophecy. His coat of arms included three fleurs-de-lis (iris blossoms).
7. Of the Half Moon. JOHN PAUL I. 1978-1978. John Paul I was elected Pope on August 26, 1978, when there was a half moon. He reigned 33 days, that is, about one month, when he died, although many think he was murdered. He was the 109th Pope - is "De Medietate Lunae" (Of the Half Moon). The corresponding pope was John Paul I (1978-78), who was born in the diocese of Belluno (beautiful moon) and was baptized Albino Luciani (white light). He became pope on August 26, 1978, when the moon appeared exactly half full. It was in its waning phase. He died the following month, soon after an eclipse of the moon.
8. The Labor of the Son. JOHN PAUL II. 1978-2005. Pope John Paul II was the most traveled Pope in history. He circled the globe numerous times, preaching to huge audiences everywhere he went. He survived an assassination attempt. He has written a book which has enjoyed a large circulation. Like the sun which never ceases to labor and provides light daily, this Pope has been incessant. He was born on May 18, 1920. On that date in the morning there was a near total eclipse of the sun over Europe. Prophecy - The 110th Pope is "De Labore Solis" (Of the Solar Eclipse, or, From the Toil of the Sun). Like the sun he came out of the East (Poland).
9. The Glory of the Olive. The Order of St. Benedict has said this Pope will come from their order. It is interesting that Jesus gave his apocalyptic prophecy about the end of time from the Mount of Olives. This Pope will reign during the beginning of the tribulation Jesus spoke of. The 111th prophesy is "Gloria Olivae" (The Glory of the Olive). The Order of Saint Benedict has claimed that this pope will come from their ranks. Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil.
10. PETER THE ROMAN - This final Pope will likely be Satan, taking the form of a man named Peter who will gain a worldwide allegiance and adoration. He will be the final antichrist which prophecy students have long foretold. If it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived. The 112th prophesy states: "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Petrus Romanus, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End."
Malachy's final words, "Rome, the seat of the Vatican, will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people."
1. The Burning Fire. PIUS X. 1903-1914. This Pope showed a burning passion for spiritual renewal in the Church.
2. Religion Laid Waste. BENEDICT XV. 1914-1922. During this Pope's reign saw Communism move into Russia where religious life was laid waste, and World War I with the death of millions of Christians who were carnage in Flanders Field and elsewhere.
3. Unshaken Faith. PIUS XI. 1922-1939. This Pope faced tremendous pressure from fascist and sinister powers in Germany and Italy, but he was an outspoken critic of Communism and Fascism which enraged Hitler.
4. An Angelic Shepherd. PIUS XII. 1939-1958. This Pope had an affinity for the spiritual world and received visions which have not been made public. Peter Bander says Pius XII "has emerged as one of the great Popes of all time," and he "was in the truest sense of the word an Angelic Pastor to the flock..."
5. Pastor and Mariner. JOHN XXIII. 1958-1963. John was a pastor to the world, much beloved, and the Patriarch of Venice. The connection to "mariner" is thus remarkable.
6. Flower of Flowers. PAUL VI. 1963-1978. Paul's coat-of-arms depicts three fleurs-de-lis, corresponding to Malachay's prophecy. His coat of arms included three fleurs-de-lis (iris blossoms).
7. Of the Half Moon. JOHN PAUL I. 1978-1978. John Paul I was elected Pope on August 26, 1978, when there was a half moon. He reigned 33 days, that is, about one month, when he died, although many think he was murdered. He was the 109th Pope - is "De Medietate Lunae" (Of the Half Moon). The corresponding pope was John Paul I (1978-78), who was born in the diocese of Belluno (beautiful moon) and was baptized Albino Luciani (white light). He became pope on August 26, 1978, when the moon appeared exactly half full. It was in its waning phase. He died the following month, soon after an eclipse of the moon.
8. The Labor of the Son. JOHN PAUL II. 1978-2005. Pope John Paul II was the most traveled Pope in history. He circled the globe numerous times, preaching to huge audiences everywhere he went. He survived an assassination attempt. He has written a book which has enjoyed a large circulation. Like the sun which never ceases to labor and provides light daily, this Pope has been incessant. He was born on May 18, 1920. On that date in the morning there was a near total eclipse of the sun over Europe. Prophecy - The 110th Pope is "De Labore Solis" (Of the Solar Eclipse, or, From the Toil of the Sun). Like the sun he came out of the East (Poland).
9. The Glory of the Olive. The Order of St. Benedict has said this Pope will come from their order. It is interesting that Jesus gave his apocalyptic prophecy about the end of time from the Mount of Olives. This Pope will reign during the beginning of the tribulation Jesus spoke of. The 111th prophesy is "Gloria Olivae" (The Glory of the Olive). The Order of Saint Benedict has claimed that this pope will come from their ranks. Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil.
10. PETER THE ROMAN - This final Pope will likely be Satan, taking the form of a man named Peter who will gain a worldwide allegiance and adoration. He will be the final antichrist which prophecy students have long foretold. If it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived. The 112th prophesy states: "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Petrus Romanus, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End."
Malachy's final words, "Rome, the seat of the Vatican, will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people."